Joe is out of the race

[welsh1]

So he finally stepped down, now who will take his place?

[JKD]

What I'd like to know is,,,, how did you post this up before the usual suspects ?! 🤷‍♂️😆🤣

[Jaymo]

17 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

So he finally stepped down, now who will take his place?

Michelle Obama, the only sensible choice who stands a chance against ‘The Donald’ 

[udderlyoffroad]

Only about 4years too late.

He’s only stepped down as 2024 candidate though, not as president. This means that a) Cackling Kami isn’t in charge but b) he’s still in charge

[JohnfromUK]

I think it's the right thing and I would favour age limits on most of these elected representative positions. 

As someone in my late 60s, I will freely admit to being less able to cope with long busy days, complex issues and long periods where unbroken concentration is needed.  My guess is that most of us who are 'older' would realise and admit that whilst we have knowledge, experience, and probably greater pragmatism, we also have less capacity for intense concentration, quick assimilation of problems and making snap decisions.   Things like travel, meetings and stressful situations also take longer to get over.

Just my experience, but I know that many (most) of my contemporaries feel much the same.

[welsh1]

12 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Michelle Obama, the only sensible choice who stands a chance against ‘The Donald’ 

She has stated many times she is not interested in running, but i think her husband will be twisting her arm.

[39TDS]

I don't think it is a job for anyone over 65 and that should possibly be lower.

[Weihrauch17]

32 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Michelle Obama, the only sensible choice who stands a chance against ‘The Donald’ 

It doesn't matter, Trump will win whatever.

[oowee]

Thank goodness for that. He is far more lucid than the opposition even in his parlous state but I could not see him surviving another term. I wish him well. 

[matone]

59 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I think it's the right thing and I would favour age limits on most of these elected representative positions. 

As someone in my late 60s, I will freely admit to being less able to cope with long busy days, complex issues and long periods where unbroken concentration is needed.  My guess is that most of us who are 'older' would realise and admit that whilst we have knowledge, experience, and probably greater pragmatism, we also have less capacity for intense concentration, quick assimilation of problems and making snap decisions.   Things like travel, meetings and stressful situations also take longer to get over.

Just my experience, but I know that many (most) of my contemporaries feel much the same.

They are the thoughts of any right minded person,sadly not the thoughts of the power hungry political aged ones !!!

America and indeed anywhere else,deserves far better leaders.

[ditchman]

They will endorse Harris im sure ....its tooo late for anyone else.....she will be the unity candidate

Trump will still win tho'

[oowee]

52 minutes ago, ditchman said:

They will endorse Harris im sure ....its tooo late for anyone else.....she will be the unity candidate

Trump will still win tho'

I fear you could be right. Will Biden be the last President? 

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, welsh1 said:

So he finally stepped down, now who will take his place?

It will be hard for them to put forward anyone but vice president Harris because of the way their sucession rules are structured. I don't fully understand all the nuances but basically she is Biden's political heir so she too would have to be pushed out before anybody else could be considered.

[ditchman]

Dont forget Biden is STILL POTUS...........he needs to resign......she has no money and the "big" players are not endorsing her and unlocking their funds for her yet......

Obama is sticking his finger in

Trump is loving this ....it sure is messy............

Edited 18 hours ago by ditchman

[udderlyoffroad]

49 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

don't fully understand all the nuances but basically she is Biden's political heir

Nope. You’re conflating office of president with being the Dems nominee. He’s only announced he’s not running for election again.

[12gauge82]

What makes me laugh with the utter mess over there is, for years the Republicans have been saying Biden isn't fit to be the president, something which to be fair I have agreed with, the Democrats have always denied this, until very recently, when coincidentally, it's become obvious Trump was going to win. It is a mess of their own making. 

[Gordon R]

12gauge82 - on the money.

[Rewulf]

5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

It is a mess of their own making. 

Biden was nominated for POTUS in 2020 because in the murky politics of Capitol hill, it was 'his turn' , there were far better people who could have been the dem choice, but they simply werent.
In the grand scheme of things, its not Kamalas turn, but the dems are stuck on bringing in new blood, or keep with the familiar, if not popular face, plus all the campaign money that would go to waste.

Trump was nominated through sheer force of personality, not from the world of politics, but a known face, his populist policies struck a chord in 2016, and strike a chord now, despite the tactical mistakes the dems have made in this campaign, the Biden administration has been simply ineffective at dealing with Americas problems.
Its Trumps turn again, and hopefully he can deliver.

 

15 hours ago, oowee said:

I fear you could be right. Will Biden be the last President? 

Well, if Trump wins , then he would be the last POTUS would he not , before he declares himself dictator for life, or fuhrer of the nazi states of America, and starts WW3 ? 
I think its time we stopped being silly over the upcoming Trump presidency, more bad things happened under Biden, than they did under Trumps previous term.

[oowee]

26 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Biden was nominated for POTUS in 2020 because in the murky politics of Capitol hill, it was 'his turn' , there were far better people who could have been the dem choice, but they simply werent.
In the grand scheme of things, its not Kamalas turn, but the dems are stuck on bringing in new blood, or keep with the familiar, if not popular face, plus all the campaign money that would go to waste.

Trump was nominated through sheer force of personality, not from the world of politics, but a known face, his populist policies struck a chord in 2016, and strike a chord now, despite the tactical mistakes the dems have made in this campaign, the Biden administration has been simply ineffective at dealing with Americas problems.
Its Trumps turn again, and hopefully he can deliver.

 

Well, if Trump wins , then he would be the last POTUS would he not , before he declares himself dictator for life, or fuhrer of the nazi states of America, and starts WW3 ? 
I think its time we stopped being silly over the upcoming Trump presidency, more bad things happened under Biden, than they did under Trumps previous term.

I think its time to open our eyes and try to better understand what is happening.

Trump has the intellect of, at best, a satsuma. He has nothing like the mental capacity required for the job. The Maga element of his party has already tried to overturn the election results to hold onto power. Now the rules are in place and the courts are aligned to allow another go and a smoother transition, to hold onto power. Vance is in place with the support of Musk, Carlson, and more importantly Sacks so direct links to Heritage foundation. All the players directly linked to project 2025. 

WW3 no I dont think so it's not in a dictators interest. 

Hopefully this is all wrong and if Trump is successful the Republican party prevails over Maga. Either way for the UK we are looking decidedly exposed. Its good to see an opportunity for closer security ties with Europe. Hopefully if the US pull out of Ukraine the Europeans will let us join there defence industry alliance at least then we would have common interest control of weapons. 

 

[Zoli 12 guage]

45 minutes ago, oowee said:

I think its time to open our eyes and try to better understand what is happening.

Trump has the intellect of, at best, a satsuma. He has nothing like the mental capacity required for the job. The Maga element of his party has already tried to overturn the election results to hold onto power. Now the rules are in place and the courts are aligned to allow another go and a smoother transition, to hold onto power. Vance is in place with the support of Musk, Carlson, and more importantly Sacks so direct links to Heritage foundation. All the players directly linked to project 2025. 

WW3 no I dont think so it's not in a dictators interest. 

Hopefully this is all wrong and if Trump is successful the Republican party prevails over Maga. Either way for the UK we are looking decidedly exposed. Its good to see an opportunity for closer security ties with Europe. Hopefully if the US pull out of Ukraine the Europeans will let us join there defence industry alliance at least then we would have common interest control of weapons. 

 

 

why do or would we need closer security or any other ties with Europe when Donald waltzes up Pennsylvania Avenue?

the yanks would still run NATO and he would rightly make all the finance dodging nations pay their share.

AND,as for the "satsuma" analogy regarding the next U.S President,i don't see you slapping Bidens cognitive abilities down in any of your many and varied snipes at the former POTUS.

at least Donald doesn't get lost on stage or half way through a sentence 👍

Edited 2 hours ago by Zoli 12 guage

[Rewulf]

41 minutes ago, oowee said:

Trump has the intellect of, at best, a satsuma.

Hes a billionaire, a 'satsuma'  would not have been able to run his business portfolio for very long, and hes been POTUS once, and likely will again.
Your assertions are clearly incorrect.

 

43 minutes ago, oowee said:

He has nothing like the mental capacity required for the job.

As above.
But if Trumps a satsuma, Biden is a cabbage.

 

44 minutes ago, oowee said:

The Maga element of his party has already tried to overturn the election results to hold onto power.

There is no MAGA element, 'MAGA republicans' are a construct of the left, who try to denigrate a section of the conservative right, without denigrating ALL republicans into the deplorable basket, like Hilary did to her cost.
 

 

46 minutes ago, oowee said:

Now the rules are in place and the courts are aligned to allow another go and a smoother transition, to hold onto power. Vance is in place with the support of Musk, Carlson,

Not bad for a satsuma ?

 

46 minutes ago, oowee said:

All the players directly linked to project 2025. 

Project 25 is an idea from a think tank, show me the links.

 

48 minutes ago, oowee said:

Hopefully this is all wrong and if Trump is successful the Republican party prevails over Maga.

You know its WRONG , and MAGA is just a slogan , like 'Build back better' or labours 'Lets get Britains future back'
We dont call labours more excitable members LGBFB socialists do we 

52 minutes ago, oowee said:

Either way for the UK we are looking decidedly exposed. Its good to see an opportunity for closer security ties with Europe. Hopefully if the US pull out of Ukraine the Europeans will let us join there defence industry alliance at least then we would have common interest control of weapons. 

How are we exposed, to what ?
We have a labour government now , Kier will fight them on the beaches, at least until 6.30 pm.

And we are already fully entrenched in the EU s defence planning, have been for 70 years !

[oowee]

13 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

 

why do or would we need closer security or any other ties with Europe when Donald waltzes up Pennsylvania Avenue?

the yanks would still run NATO and he would rightly make all the finance dodging nations pay their share.

AND,as for the "satsuma" analogy regarding the next U.S President,i don't see you slapping Bidens cognitive abilities down in any of your many and varied snipes at the former POTUS.

at least Donald doesn't get lost on stage or half way through a sentence 👍

Biden is yesterdays news.

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Hes a billionaire, a 'satsuma'  would not have been able to run his business portfolio for very long, and hes been POTUS once, and likely will again.
Your assertions are clearly incorrect.

As above.
But if Trumps a satsuma, Biden is a cabbage.

There is no MAGA element, 'MAGA republicans' are a construct of the left, who try to denigrate a section of the conservative right, without denigrating ALL republicans into the deplorable basket, like Hilary did to her cost.
Not bad for a satsuma ?

Project 25 is an idea from a think tank, show me the links.

You know its WRONG , and MAGA is just a slogan , like 'Build back better' or labours 'Lets get Britains future back'
We dont call labours more excitable members LGBFB socialists do we 

How are we exposed, to what ?
We have a labour government now , Kier will fight them on the beaches, at least until 6.30 pm.

And we are already fully entrenched in the EU s defence planning, have been for 70 years !

Biden is not running.

How many of Trumps team have ditched him? Trumps populism is not Republican conservatism. Divine intervention, anti satanists, was a theme running through the convention. 

Project 2025 far more than a think tank. It's a collaboration of dozens of conservative organisations. Same speakers at 2025 heritage event as at the RNC including Ramaswamy and Carlson. Carlson backing Vance. Russ Vought played a major role in 2025 now signed off as Policy Director RNC. Trumps agenda 47 overlaps directly with much of project 2025. Much of the carp that comes out of Trump is project 2025 rhetoric. Trump at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.” Trump has met with Kevin Roberts several times.  In July this year Trump said he knows nothing about the project or who is behind it. Clearly another lie. Republicans are conservative they don't like liars. 

 

With Trump in place Putin will be emboldened. Nato is based around US defence. Without the US support for Ukraine Europe will have to defend alone against Putin. Europe will not spend money on US weapons going forward when it can make it's own that it can use as it chooses. The UK will want to be part of that spend program. 

 

 

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

Europe will not spend money on US weapons going forward when it can make it's own that it can use as it chooses.

Tell me again who makes F35s , Patriots , and SM series interceptor missiles again ?
Did many countries in Europe not just spend 100s of billions on these systems ?
Shall we scrap them all and start again, using an R and D program that doesnt really exist ?
Good sound thinking there 

[12gauge82]

13 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Tell me again who makes F35s , Patriots , and SM series interceptor missiles again ?
Did many countries in Europe not just spend 100s of billions on these systems ?
Shall we scrap them all and start again, using an R and D program that doesnt really exist ?
Good sound thinking there 

To be fair, the new tempest once completed looks like a serious bit of kit, which is being developed by the UK, Japan and Italy. Which just like the euro fighter before it, goes to show what can be achieved by other countries if the appetite is there. 

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Hes a billionaire, a 'satsuma'  would not have been able to run his business portfolio for very long

Technically he inherited his fathers fortune and had he been ‘wise’ or shrewd and invested in mainstream property /shares etc, then he would be worth 12 billion, and not the reported 2.8 - 3.2 billion. 
 

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