Raja Clavata Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 16 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: and was this piece of **** invisible while he committed this atrocity and while he was dragged to the paddy wagon. everyone in the class and locals in the surrounding area that turned up to see what the fuss was weren't registered blind. everyone has a smart phone and access to some sort of social media AND i'm absolutely astounded that no "private" footage of this hasn't been released on Facebook,tick tock etc. serious question, when was the last time there was a riot instigated by normal "white English" people in this country? i've been thinking and can't remember one 🤔 You really couldn’t make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: that would be yesterday when such comments as chuck the kid from a helicopter he should be shot or slashed so what would be your "fitting" punishment then🤔 3 meals a day,television,pool/table tennis and a heated cell for the next 25 years🤔 cos it ain't mine ! 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: You really couldn’t make it up. which bit🤔🤔🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 Just about all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 38 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: so what would be your "fitting" punishment then🤔 he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 35 minutes ago, clangerman said: he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick ^^^^^spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 35 minutes ago, clangerman said: he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick I don't think his lawyer will ignore the mentally ill wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 All the division does nothing other than to fuel problems. Those rioting over night look very much like outsiders who have travelled with the intent to cause problems. There is a genuine issue with a small minority (which admittedly does add up to a sizeable number of people) who have come to the UK, they tend to be young Muslim males who don't share our values and are actively against them. Some of which are now second generation and are therefore a British problem. I believe the solution is to control illegal migration, have some frank conversations and get a party into power who will do what is required. But it is important not to loose sight that the extremists are a tiny minority, that they don't represent the vast majority of decent people and that there are extremists on both sides, many of which turned up last night, attacked police, disrupted an already grieving community and torched police cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Just about all of it. 39 minutes ago, clangerman said: he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick 3 minutes ago, oowee said: ^^^^^spot on. see, that's the trouble with liberal hand wringers. they try to put a reason to stuff like this and when there's none to be found they'll play the mental health card. I can't think of a crime more serious,sick or heinous that deserves the perpetrator to be snuffed out like a candle at bed time. i dare bet my house i'm not alone in this👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 36 minutes ago, clangerman said: he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick 36 minutes ago, clangerman said: he should be in broadmoor but our thirst for revenge will see the fact he has to be mentally ill to kill so many children ignored and I’m choked he should only be held securely but killing him would make us just as sick Anyone who can commit this sort of crime can only be mentally ill end of story ,it can have nothing to do with religion ,so to punish someone for being very very sick cannot be right even if many would like to see revenge extracted. Refreshing to see some very balanced posts on this subject . On the other hand very understandable to read the calls for retribution impossible to put yourself in the position of the relatives ,some would say better dead regardless of motive sickness etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) 24 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: All the division does nothing other than to fuel problems. Those rioting over night look very much like outsiders who have travelled with the intent to cause problems. so tell me what an outsider looks like cos i didn't see ON ANY MEDIA OUTLET where there were buses or masses of cars traveling to Southport from either North or South or parked up at any locations in the area. there's some on here saying it's wrong to speculate on the ethnicity of the offender but they're not 2 minutes in branding the others as far right trouble causers a la sky news/itv/bbc Edited July 31, 2024 by Zoli 12 guage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) 43 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: All the division does nothing other than to fuel problems. Those rioting over night look very much like outsiders who have travelled with the intent to cause problems. There is a genuine issue with a small minority (which admittedly does add up to a sizeable number of people) who have come to the UK, they tend to be young Muslim males who don't share our values and are actively against them. Some of which are now second generation and are therefore a British problem. I believe the solution is to control illegal migration, have some frank conversations and get a party into power who will do what is required. But it is important not to loose sight that the extremists are a tiny minority, that they don't represent the vast majority of decent people and that there are extremists on both sides, many of which turned up last night, attacked police, disrupted an already grieving community and torched police cars. oops, wrong person reply Edited July 31, 2024 by old'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 16 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: so tell me what an outsider looks like cos i didn't see ON ANY MEDIA OUTLET where there were buses or masses of cars traveling to Southport from either North or South or parked up at any locations in the area. there's some on here saying it's wrong to speculate on the ethnicity of the offender but they're not 2 minutes in branding the others as far right trouble causers a la sky news/itv/bbc The fact I could hear chants of English till I die ect, is a dead give away. I think the reason people are advising against speculation is because it feeds the behaviour of those we saw last night. At the end of the day, we do have a growing problem in the UK caused by uncontrolled migration, although I am unclear if it played a part in this instance. But fueling hatred is only going to make problems worse and attacking police, smashing up property and blaming a group of people based on religion will fuel anger on the other side, thus creating a never ending circle of hatred and violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cash1 Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 29/07/2024 at 15:44, mossy835 said: very bad news,what can be done about the knife attacks, The Noose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 42 minutes ago, holloway said: Anyone who can commit this sort of crime can only be mentally ill end of story ,it can have nothing to do with religion ,so to punish someone for being very very sick cannot be right even if many would like to see revenge extracted. Refreshing to see some very balanced posts on this subject . On the other hand very understandable to read the calls for retribution impossible to put yourself in the position of the relatives ,some would say better dead regardless of motive sickness etc. He had the mental capacity to plan and travel to his chosen target, or was it pure chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 29 minutes ago, holloway said: Anyone who can commit this sort of crime can only be mentally ill end of story ,it can have nothing to do with religion ,so to punish someone for being very very sick cannot be right even if many would like to see revenge extracted. Are all the people who have killed in the name of religion (and it seems to be one in particular) mentally ill? Flying planes into buildings, blowing up people on buses or at concerts, stabbing sprees, killing your own children because they bought dishonour on your family... All mental illness? That's rather organised for a bunch of sick people. As we no longer live in the dark ages, perhaps anyone who believes in imaginary beings that dictate how they live their lives should be classed as mentally ill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 11 hours ago, Mice! said: I don't see what the police can do, people have had enough, this is just the latest incident and it's always to do with immigrants just lately, how or why is a 17 year old born in Wales on a watch list?? It can surely only be religious?? I don't see how it can, but then I don't know what would. From a photo that I have seen (if real), he doesn't look 17; 37 maybe, but again, if it's legit. 11 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: don't know about anyone else but I hear conversations daily where local people are fed up with what's going on in this country and how some groups can march/protest with impunity flying any flag they like and chant what they like but any indigenous marching and saint George/union flag flying and for some reason the truncheons come out. these are not my feelings but it's what i hear regularly and i feel it will only get worse. That sentiment is very wide spread. 10 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: This. Two tier Policing is absolutely blatant in this country. And the agenda behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mice! said: He should have left it a few days, there's enough going on for the police as it is, another MP went, but I missed her name. Yvette Cooper the one who welcomes immigrants with open arms oh the irony https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/639410781352796160 9 hours ago, oowee said: Ah I didn't realise it was his fault. He's not stopping them coming over though is he Edited July 31, 2024 by yickdaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 2 minutes ago, yickdaz said: Yvette Cooper the one who welcomes immigrants with open arms oh the irony https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/639410781352796160 He's not stopping them coming over though is he Do you want him standing on the beaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Do you want him standing on the beaches? No because he would be rolling out the red carpet for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 7 minutes ago, sportsbob said: No because he would be rolling out the red carpet for them. He already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 8 minutes ago, oowee said: Do you want him standing on the beaches? I thought prime ministers made the decisions I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, oowee said: Do you want him standing on the beaches? No, he would do better walking out to meet them ! From what I saw on the news, he was certainly NOT welcome in Southport. A Male arrested with a knife at the 'vigil', was from Wigan. It took the combined efforts of GMP, Cheshire, Lancashire and North Wales Police to bring the situation under control. A bit reminiscent of 1981 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 11 minutes ago, sportsbob said: No because he would be rolling out the red carpet for them. 2 minutes ago, Luckyshot said: He already is. Enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: All the division does nothing other than to fuel problems. Those rioting over night look very much like outsiders who have travelled with the intent to cause problems. There is a genuine issue with a small minority (which admittedly does add up to a sizeable number of people) who have come to the UK, they tend to be young Muslim males who don't share our values and are actively against them. Some of which are now second generation and are therefore a British problem. I believe the solution is to control illegal migration, have some frank conversations and get a party into power who will do what is required. But it is important not to loose sight that the extremists are a tiny minority, that they don't represent the vast majority of decent people and that there are extremists on both sides, many of which turned up last night, attacked police, disrupted an already grieving community and torched police cars. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 31, 2024 Report Share Posted July 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Zoli 12 guage said: see, that's the trouble with liberal hand wringers. they try to put a reason to stuff like this and when there's none to be found they'll play the mental health card. I can't think of a crime more serious,sick or heinous that deserves the perpetrator to be snuffed out like a candle at bed time. i dare bet my house i'm not alone in this👍 I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick, let me TRY to explain... 3 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: and was this piece of **** invisible while he committed this atrocity and while he was dragged to the paddy wagon. everyone in the class and locals in the surrounding area that turned up to see what the fuss was weren't registered blind. everyone has a smart phone and access to some sort of social media AND i'm absolutely astounded that no "private" footage of this hasn't been released on Facebook,tick tock etc. ... where to start though. Personally I don't want to see footage of this murderous scumbag, certainly not in the throes of it all nor the aftermath. "Fuss"!? I think we can reasonably assume that anyone involved or in the vicinity would have either been fleeing, trying to shield the kids or attempting to take the scumbag down. Your last sentence contains two negatives which logically implies that you are astounded that footage has been released. Personally I'd complain if footage had been released but I THINK you're complaining that it hasn't. Feel free to clarify or ignore, I really couldn't care a less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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