lap9387 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hi gents, as some of you may of seen on another post, i have moved premesis and have my guns in storage with a friend. however, i dont want to fit a cabinet into a rented property, so: is there any other options when it comes to gun security? ie, in a rail like the gun shops, or secured to a joist? or bolted to the wall with a wall plate? surely someone will be able to keep me right? thanks, lap9387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What's wrong in fitting a cabinet in a rented property? I'm in the same boat, and as long as you leave good when you move out, i cannot see any problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 There is no legal requirement to have a gun safe. You are required to store it securely. That said, all Police Forces would normally expect you to have a gun safe. The other examples you cite, might be okay with some forces, depending on the security of the property. Gun shops generally have metal bars over the windows and expensive alarms, so they are hardly a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 If you're happy to bolt a wall plate to the wall why not bolt a cabinet to the wall ??......just a thought.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lap9387 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Because, when I asked the land lord "can I fit a gun cabinet" he said "no". So I need to find other means of secure storage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Because, when I asked the land lord "can I fit a gun cabinet" he said "no". So I need to find other means of secure storage Ask him if you can brick the window up in a bedroom and install a steel security door. Other than gun clamps which im sure the Police only allow for a singular firearm im not aware of any other approved method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Any means of safe storage will have to be anchored to the wall exactly the same as a gun cabinet, can't see the difference, a drilled hole is a drilled hole. Try asking lanlord if u can fit a 'safe' in ur house, by coincedence the 'safe' happens to be long and narrow almost gun shaped. I don't think ur landlord is wanting guns stored in his house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmids1987 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 ive rented a few houses in the short time ive had my sgc and havnt ever asked permission (less people know the better) technically could be breaking tenancy agreement,but if you don't ask landlord and damage is put right when you move how will he ever know? an no harm done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glb8686 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Aye just crack on. What's the worst that can happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 buy a safe thats very very heavy ie 4 man lift completely legal and not require bolting down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambchop Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Maybe ask your local feo? As said before safe isn't legal requirement but most commonly accepted best practice. May be worth seeing what non gun safe security set ups they have passed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 buy a safe thats very very heavy ie 4 man lift completely legal and not require bolting down I dont think it matters how heavy it is , the legal requirement is for it to be bolted to the fabric of the building , he may have four people turn up to rob his house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I dont think it matters how heavy it is , the legal requirement is for it to be bolted to the fabric of the building , he may have four people turn up to rob his house and they will turn up in a van Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 How about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 How about this. Well.....upfront I guess it was just the builder and carpet fitter who knew where the guns were...now we all know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Actually quite clever that. But if landlord is bothered about u drilling 4 holes in his walls i think he will be more upset about u buthchering his staircase. Just hope the OP hasnae moved into a flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) I think it was Colin Willock who, when told he needed to get a gun cabinet, challenged the feo to find his guns in the house. After a long search, she conceded defeat. He kept them behind the kick boards in the kitchen! He still had to get a cabinet though! If you explained that him saying no might mean you having to move house and him find another tenant? Or maybe it's hard to get rental properties where you are? Edited December 24, 2013 by Big Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I dont think it matters how heavy it is , the legal requirement is for it to be bolted to the fabric of the building , he may have four people turn up to rob his house There is no legal requirement as regards the specific type of security you must have. The only requirement is the security condition on your certificate which makes no reference to how you have to do it. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 There is no legal requirement as regards the specific type of security you must have. The only requirement is the security condition on your certificate which makes no reference to how you have to do it. J. And no doubt when his chief constable, quite understandably, refuses to accept his security arrangements and revokes his license he will be able to use the new BASC legal cover to fund his appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 My farther has got a safe for his guns or rifles he does for ammo he uses a massive oak chest with improved locks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I seem to remember that for a single gun, a gunclamp bolted the wall would suffice, as long as the rest of the house security is up to the job, ie 5 lever locks, and such like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I seem to remember that for a single gun, a gunclamp bolted the wall would suffice, as long as the rest of the house security is up to the job, ie 5 lever locks, and such like Actually a neighbour has this arrangement, coppers love it but say it the only one in the area. when we first had to lock them up the copper who saw me said he hated the idea as the only guns he ever saw stolen were taken in a safe as the crook likely thought the safe had cash and jewellery in it. A guy I know just had a break in and they got in his safe took two guns and were luckily apprehended at the doorway- big sentences on their way its reckoned. two instances of guns being taken in my own area in last year, I think my arrangements are as good as it gets but we cant discuss that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 And no doubt when his chief constable, quite understandably, refuses to accept his security arrangements and revokes his license he will be able to use the new BASC legal cover to fund his appeal. As long as it's after 1st March 2014 which, I understand, is when the new cover commences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I dont think it matters how heavy it is , the legal requirement is for it to be bolted to the fabric of the building , he may have four people turn up to rob his house wrong wrong wrong my friend is a welder built a safe about 3foot wide 18" deep and over 5foot tall was never bolted and was cleared for fac air and sgc. and was then sold on the bbs few years back by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 There are options but asking the landlord is a tricky one as now he said no your stuffed till you move out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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