Grandalf Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 No - I reckon he's one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I have come across a couple of ex navy types who although do not use their rank in there name but have a position of some authority in their current job role still think that they can order you to carry out a job instead of asking you to do it . A pain in the you know where. I have been doing my job offshore for over 20 years and I have never been spoken to like that before, treated us like we were ignorant and expected us to jump at there command. I understand that that is how the forces work but it does not work like that on civy street. Needless to say I have moved on to better things but still offshore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 My dear old grandfather did and was proud of it. Good old Granddad Obersturmbannführer. wouldn't he answer to groyvator ? some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inderraj Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Its normally only Major's who will use their Title after leaving the forces, there's a standing joke about it in the Army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletcher1004 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 What annoys me more is civil servants working in the military are expected to be given the same respect as a major! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Were you in the same regiment as Pigeon Controller? Possibly. Couldn't see ****** all with my special insignia in place. Sometimes, on real hush-hush jobs we had to pixelate our faces too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 What annoys me more is civil servants working in the military are expected to be given the same respect as a major! Then, with respect, you dont understand how the MOD works. They arent working in the military, they are working in the MOD. The uniformed military are part of that organisation. Both uniformed and non-uniformed staff make a huge contribution, but neither could function without the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I did guess that , in a training role I assume? Yes. I wear my Squadron Leader uniform I bought on Ebay and get them all to call me sir. Doesnt always go to plan though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Most Major's I have met in Civilian roles have an addendum. Major Cockup normally follows anything you ask them to do. Most Colonel's are a bit nutty! Edited March 28, 2014 by Salopian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 As far as I'm concerned the rank in whatever military they were was for the military not civvy street. If they want to keep a rank stay in the forces. No place for it in general public. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 As far as I'm concerned the rank in whatever military they were was for the military not civvy street. If they want to keep a rank stay in the forces. No place for it in general public. Figgy pardon what public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Major Disaster,s friend ,General Disorder.his batman was my m8 Private Parts .They used to believe in Corpral Punishment and any issues dealt with by Private Investigations.travel was dealt with by Capt Cook and teabreaks by Staff Room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Yeah KW is strangely quiet... You mean general grumpy (not ret'd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Yes. I wear my Squadron Leader uniform I bought on Ebay and get them all to call me sir. Doesnt always go to plan though There is an army surplus place here in Leeds I buy some bits from for the Landrover and I didn't realise that you can buy a complete ceremonial uniform from there as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mil-Instructor Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 It tends to be colleagues, friends, acquaintences and local communities that refer to former military personnel by their former rank, not the indivduals themselves. Just in case anyone is still interested, the conventions are straightforward enough.... Commissioned Officers, holding 'Field Rank' (Major in the Army, or RAF and RN equivalents) are technically entitled to continue to use their former rank on retirement from either the Regular Forces or active Reserve (i.e TA, RNR, RMR, RAFVR, etc). Very few chose to do so, except where specifically appropriate or expected, such as those still serving in military staff appointments as Retired Officers, holding appointments in Regimental Associations, etc. when the abbreviation 'Retd' is placed after the rank. There was a period immediately after WW2 when this was extended to include those of Captain (or equivalent) grades who had served on the general Staff; though it was usual for people generally to refer to each other by their rank ...a loose extension of the camaraderie of wartime service. This (naturally) tailed off after Korea and the end of National Service, then pretty well stopped altogether from the late 1960s with the threats posed primarily by the IRA, etc. Recently the UK government have encouraged those in the Forces (or with past connection to them) to make this more obvious to improve awareness of the role of the Forces as very few people in UK have any military connection; the conventions have not changed though. I have (reluctantly) once used my current rank outside a specifically military environment at the suggestion of my FEO when reapplying for my FAC on return to UK. He simply made the point that it might be helpful for their staff to know that I was not some random 'gun-fancier' but someone with a long-standing connection with and respect for firearms. Whilst this would not speed my application, it might prevent it sticking unnecessarily in the 'pending' tray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Then, with respect, you dont understand how the MOD works. They arent working in the military, they are working in the MOD. The uniformed military are part of that organisation. Both uniformed and non-uniformed staff make a huge contribution, but neither could function without the other. I had issues with MOD civil servant get equivalent rank of Captain to live in the mess in Cyprus at 20 on teach placements for 6 months. Give soldiers orders and believing they had the'right' because of their 'rank' Utter **** and re educated. Very happy after 15 commissioned years to be Mr now. I worked with in the armed forces as a retired officer yes at work I would be expected to use (Rtd) after my rank but not as a plain f@£?ing civiy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I imagine it's because some peoples egos can't handle the fact they were a somebody in the military and they're now a nobody in the civilian world. The truth! I would never acknowledge a military rank with a civilian,total ballustrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I was a part time keeper for the school of infantry in Warminster for 12 years and once a retired Major told me to double up a hill and stop some birds running up a hedgerow I suggested as that I was no longer in the army he had better start running himself Geordieh Cpl retd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I was a part time keeper for the school of infantry in Warminster for 12 years and once a retired Major told me to double up a hill and stop some birds running up a hedgerow I suggested as that I was no longer in the army he had better start running himself Geordieh Cpl retd love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 A title like Captain or General does give you an idea of what kind of person you are dealing with, to me it implies honesty and integrity, so maybe if performs a useful function in some situations. I can't see much use for it in the pub though, apart from trying to assume some kind of authority over other drinkers. Catweazle have a quick look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Joyce for Major Eric Joyce MP, just to remove the implication of honesty and integrity for you ;-) ;-) I dont care what service you are in, rank implies nothing of your character, respect is what counts and that is earned by the manner in which you command your team not by the fact you have pips on your shoulder. If someone uses their former rank after their name it doesnt impress me one bit, they can do so if they want though. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Whilst serving as a police Officer I had reason to ask a person his name and under the circumstance he was obliged to give it to me. When he said Major ++++++, I replied that Major seemed to be quite a common christian name in this area and did he have a middle name to differentiate him from all the others. He then gave me quite a few other names which I didn't have when I was christened !! We later met and became, as far as is possible between Commissioned Officers and Non Coms, friends. He admitted that when he first met me, he thought I was stupid but later realised that I had 'squaddies sense of humour' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Still waiting for that apology,I am not a person that lies,to insinuate that I do is a slur on my character.do the decent thing for once and apologise. Or you could remove your accusing post. Wind your neck in: I don't spend all day on the internet posting on Pigeonwatch You posted a story about barring a young wife from the camp late at night and in the middle of winter. Why? Because she wasn't polite enough to your lofty standards and nothing whatsoever to do with security, the excuse you then trundled out, Redbeard Rhum-style. You even admit to being chastised for not using your initiative and letting her pass. I am unclear what slur is of concern to you. I wrote that you did not act like a gentleman and furthermore, I would be embarrassed if I had acted in such a manner in the past. Perhaps standards are somewhat lower in Wales..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 How sad that you took three days to try and come up with an angle that would make you look good. Unfortunately you failed. And you still owe me an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Wind your neck in: I don't spend all day on the internet posting on Pigeonwatch You posted a story about barring a young wife from the camp late at night and in the middle of winter. Why? Because she wasn't polite enough to your lofty standards and nothing whatsoever to do with security, the excuse you then trundled out, Redbeard Rhum-style. You even admit to being chastised for not using your initiative and letting her pass. I am unclear what slur is of concern to you. I wrote that you did not act like a gentleman and furthermore, I would be embarrassed if I had acted in such a manner in the past. Perhaps standards are somewhat lower in Wales..? hats off to you for saying it as you see it KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 The beast has arisen!, Evening KW, was worried you were ill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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