Cranfield Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 'a pee take at the my dogs a good dog posters, me thinks'. Yes, but to suggest a member's daughter should be put down is beyond the pale, joke or no. Over and above the realms of humour and deserving of a sincere apology. I don't think the poster was seriously suggesting that a member's daughter should be put down. The post was obviously an attempt at humour, that some have taken a bit too seriously. Rather than remove the original post and all the other posts referring (or part referring) to it, I suggest that if you are offended, please ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 No, neither do I but still! Not offended, just very poor taste, I'm sure you can see that. I don't think the poster was seriously suggesting that a member's daughter should be put down. The post was obviously an attempt at humour, that some have taken a bit too seriously. Rather than remove the original post and all the other posts referring (or part referring) to it, I suggest that if you are offended, please ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 If a child is not safe on her parents property then where is she ? As I understand it the dog was on private property, uninvited, and has bitten a toddler. If blood was drawn or the skin broken then the animal needs to be put down. I would advise visiting a solicitor to outline the episode and take advice. I believe you can get an initial half hour for a small fee if not free in some cases. Hope the little one is not too traumatised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 There's some funny folk on here, I wonder what makes them tick? If you do not get it I was being ironic the point is we only now part of what happened yet the first thing that some people say is the dog must be evel and should be killed that is the problem the little girl could have pocked the dog with a stick the person who put the post up may have a grudge against the dogs owner I find it best to not make my mind up untill I now all of the facts not just one side unlike a lot of people I could mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 We have all written things we do or ought to regret. Can we cut the lad some slack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the replies and best wishes lads. The dog is about 1 year old, it is locked up all day in a house alone. It has a quick walk at lunch time. My daughter was on our property with me. The dog's head is the same height as my daughters so there was no jumping up. She gave the dog no attention what-so-ever. The dog turned its head side on and opened up its jaw and jumped forward onto her in that looked like a definite attack (it ignored me and the older sister). I lunged for the dog and it ran off. The dog was either let out of the house without a lead or it escaped. The cctv is not perfect but does show the dog on her... teeth are just too small to see as her head was facing away from the camera. edit to add..... The dog went 70 yards up the cul-de-sac and frightened a large group of small children sending some of those running home visibly frightened - again CCTV shows some children running home frightened but not the dog running around them. Thanks for the offers of help with making her happy around dogs again - I would like to make her feel comfortable around dogs but we will do this in the fullness of time. It is a bit too fresh now. Edited June 3, 2014 by malkiserow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry to hear of the young girl being harmed. Must admit I had to look up "community resolution" as it was a new one on me. The original poster is to be commended for just stating the facts without any apparent malice or emotion. It would seem that the Police through a "community resolution" think they have put this to bed with the dog owner apparently apologising and talk of fencing (which is not possible due to covenants), they haven't. Doing a quick search on "community resolutions" and having a read it would appear that any resolution should (unless unreasonable) be acceptable to the victim. So what do you want? I would have thought dog muzzled and on lead at all times when outside of the front of the house. If this was agreed to, any infringement caught on CCTV or camera or by witnesses should be enough to take a stage further i.e. prosecution. As other posters have said the Police need to be told that their current resolution is unacceptable. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) four-wheel-drive .... I don't appreciate your "irony" As her father, I find it misplaced. Edited June 3, 2014 by malkiserow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Hope your daughter recovers soon; nasty & frightening experience that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 one year old is sadly a bit old to put it down purely to puppy play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little.bob Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Hi Malc sorry to hear about your little girl mate hope she makes a full recovery . The longest part may be getting over any fear of dogs she may have in the future . , That said kids are excellent at brushing things of and moving on . Not sure what i would have done in your situation . I think that it should be taken further to stop the possibility of any other child suffering the same or worse . not saying the dog should be put down sounds like re-homing with a responsible owner and professionally assessed would be a good start . all the best Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry to hear of the young girl being harmed. Must admit I had to look up "community resolution" as it was a new one on me. The original poster is to be commended for just stating the facts without any apparent malice or emotion. It would seem that the Police through a "community resolution" think they have put this to bed with the dog owner apparently apologising and talk of fencing (which is not possible due to covenants), they haven't. Doing a quick search on "community resolutions" and having a read it would appear that any resolution should (unless unreasonable) be acceptable to the victim. So what do you want? I would have thought dog muzzled and on lead at all times when outside of the front of the house. If this was agreed to, any infringement caught on CCTV or camera or by witnesses should be enough to take a stage further i.e. prosecution. As other posters have said the Police need to be told that their current resolution is unacceptable. Tom That wouldn't really work if the dog escaped. The least that should happen here is that the dog should be removed from it's current owner and the owner should be banned from owning a dog. I know the kind of person that that particular owner appears to be - they don't care where their dog is or whether it is bothering anyone else. I would imagine the dog is only walked so it can foul the footpath/park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. what an odd thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 From your fuller description Malc it really does sound like the wrong dog in the wrong house, no stimulation or exercise and no control from the owner. Sadly your wee lass just happened to be in the wrong place. I know it is no consolation to you and your priority is absolutely rightly with your girl and not the welfare of the dog. My concern would be that if the situation is left as it is that there will be a repeat occurrence and the dog will continue to frighten the kids, if the dog gets a reputation there will also be other kids that will goad the dog to try and get a reaction, thrill seeking i suppose. I would push both the police and the council and say that the situation cannot continue as is, hopefully your council dog warden service will recognise the situation and take steps to act upon that. Do everything in writing and follow up with phone calls and face to face meetings if you have to. Try your best not to say anything to the neighbour, unless there is an immediate risk, to avoid any suggestion of a wider feud between you both. Perhaps you could suggest as part of a resolution is that a professional behaviourist could assess the dog and it's environment, almost certainly they would recommend re-homing to a more suitable environment. Collies so often make rotten domestic pets and I'm afraid that's what you have next door to you, I would lay a fair wager that the owner gets nipped a lot too. At 1 years old it is still just a pup and full of beans, it needs to run 10+ miles a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Oh well with any luck next time it's out running around frightening kids it'll end up under a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Don't let this drop mate, I have girls aged 3 and 5 ,god help the owner and the dog if this happened to my girls.( easier said than done I know, without getting arrested or losing sgc&fac blah blah blah) It's my worst nightmare for the little uns to be disfigured by a dog, Please don't let this drop, as a lot have said TELL don't ask the police to pursue it, Next time it could be worse, a lot worse, incidents like this only need to happen once to maim or even kill Makes me shudder just thinking about it, I hope the little un is ok, that's all that matters at the end of the day, Atb Flynny Edited June 3, 2014 by flynny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Glad to hear she is on the mend, Totally agree that its the owners that are to blame Collies are a difficult breed to try and keep as a domestic dog, but i do wonder if it was a Staffie or Bull terrier of same age whether the responses on here would be the same about it being a puppy and playing etc Imo as above dog need to be rehomed at minimum and action taken against owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Not sure I blame anyone, but BC are such a working dog with so much energy , it needs rehousing but it will do it again especially if the dog sees your daught and she rightly panics a nip would be the best outcome. If you want bargaining points tell the owners that she needs rehousing or you'll prosecute. I would imagine the police might even agree as a way out. How did you get along with your neighbour? Good luck. John. Oh and hope the little one gets over it as do the rest of the family. Edited June 3, 2014 by spinach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del T Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Hope your daughter gets well soon. It could have been a baby sat on the floor that had a "nip!" If it had bit my lad it would get the end of the shovel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. You sir are a prize ****. Not funny in any shape or form. what an odd thing to say. Just read the rest of the posts, you beat me to it RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 My brother-in-law has taken on a rescue BC and I will not let my daughter all my own dog near the thing. It has clearly been neglected and nips anything that goes near it. Whilst I admire my brother-in-law for trying I think he has double trouble, the original neglect followed by the inherent habits of the breed. I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter and hope she gets over the shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry mate someone in your polive force is trying to fob you off. An offence has occured therefore there bound to act. Push the fact and state you want to make official complaint. Ive dealt with several incidents and all have been dealt with. Hope little one is ok buddy poor wee tinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. Idiot. What a inconsiderate comment. I think you owe OP an apology. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 If you do not get it I was being ironic the point is we only now part of what happened yet the first thing that some people say is the dog must be evel and should be killed that is the problem the little girl could have pocked the dog with a stick the person who put the post up may have a grudge against the dogs owner I find it best to not make my mind up untill I now all of the facts not just one side unlike a lot of people I could mention. Wrong subject to try and make an ironic comment on, any parent on here could tell you that. It did not come over as ironic. The unavoidable fact is that the dog was in the very place the little girl should have been safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Apologies if I'm repeating what someone has already stated, but I didn't want to read 3 pages of replies.... The breed of dog has no bearing on the matter. Who ever had control or "responsibility" for that dog at the time is the one at fault. I know there are new laws adding protection for people on private property. But as your post implies that the dog was "dangerously out of control in a public place". I'll stick to that. From what you say, the owner failed to take reasonable steps to secure his dog. Enabling it to come out onto a public area, then onto your private property. (Not withstanding that there are new laws adding to private property...) Having dealt with several similar incidents as a Police Officer, I would say the officer is fobbing you off. As "community resolutions" require a lot less paperwork. But to be objective, perhaps that officer is up to his/her ears in work and stress! However, you are entitled to, and pay for a responsible and professional service. He/she should have told you what ALL of your options were. Then maybe state his professional opinion going on experience. But the decision to want to make a "formal" complaint or not is down to you and not him! I'm not saying that further on down the line the CPS may not decide to "discontinue" the case due to whatever reason. Usually, if they don't have very good odds on obtaining a conviction! It always puzzled me why certain officers hated "dog jobs", they're a dam sight easier than frauds!! The next time it could cost a child an eye, or scar it for life for all anyone knows!?? Tell the officer you want to make a "formal" complaint, (If you do) and wish the matter to be taken to court if possible. Ensure that whatever cctv there is available is secured asap! As most modern systems have a hard drive with a 28 day turn around, deleting the previous 28 days. (Some may differ and be more or less than 28 days) I've only ever known 1 case where a dog was "destroyed" and that was at the owners request! What the courts can do, (If it gets that far) is put rules in place for the owner to abide by to avoid the dog being "destroyed". These can vary widely. But anything from a higher fence, a locked gate, muzzled when in public, and/or a short leash. Also, don't listen to any **** the officer may give you about the dog being destroyed if you complain. That's VERY unlikely, unless it's a serious injury or it's the 2nd or 3rd time it's happened. It also wouldn't hurt to request that you want it put in your statement that you do not want the dog destroyed, but that you do want OFFICIAL enforcements put in place by the courts, (Not by the Police, as they don't exist!) to prevent any further incidents. The decision on whether to make a "FORMAL" complaint (A key phrase!) or not, is yours and NOT the officers, it's YOURS, no matter what they say! Just my opinion, and knowledge as a serving officer until retirement 2 years ago. atb Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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