Teachers strike

[welsh1]

Rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish

 

Rubbish, fact is teachers can be removed from post within 8 weeks if need be.

 

Brightest kid In the whole country, I've seen them on the news with 3 a levels at 10 years old, do you have a link?

Wise up it is rare that teachers are sacked they have unions behind them and it is difficult to get them removed.As for my Son on his grades achieved at A level and ucas points amassed he was top in the county,do you think i would lie on an open forum?In fact i posted about it at the time i believe,but the search only goes back to the september 2012,he has just sent me a text from USA that he got his results for this years uni grades and he got a first,he believes he will get a first overall.

The teacher is still there causing chaos,other parents have spoken to my wife and myself about her,but each complaint is stonewalled,the system protects their own.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080087/Just-17-teachers-struck-incompetence-10-years.html

 

However more recent figures on teacher competency have been provided by Schools Minister Nick Gibb.

In response to a question from Chris Skidmore MP regarding teacher disciplinary proceedings in December 2011, Mr Gibb revealed that since 2001 the General Teaching Council in England had struck off 17 teachers for professional incompetence.

Edited July 11, 2014 by welsh1

[NickS]

I teach and I do so because I love it, not for the pay and perks. Unfortunately, for most people, they are important as evidenced by the struggle we have recruiting. We shall start the new school year with several vacancies in maths and science, plus there will be areas where non-specialists have to teach subjects. Mine is not an inner-city hell-hole either - we were recently judged "outstanding" in all areas and, with very few exceptions, behaviour is not an issue. If the profession was as rosy as some here seem to think, this would not be the case.

 

My school is also able to offer training places for prospective teachers. So, if anyone knows somebody in the Farnham, Surrey, area with a decent maths or science degree and who may be interested in becoming a teacher, please drop me a pm and I shall help them to take it further.

 

Nick

[bruno22rf]

Anybody who believes that teachers work 60-80 hours a week is sadly deluded or a teacher. The teachers in the school where I worked for 5 years work 4 days a week (the TA's do the majority of the actual work) and then have a day to prepare the following weeks work-as this is the same year on year they seem to go shopping an awful lot or just sit at home. As for working in the holidays I cannot comment because of the swear filter-teachers need to get real-they have an inbuilt pay rise in their contract whereas support staff have nothing-1 1/2 % in total in the 5 years that I worked in the school.

[keg]

You know what, it is a brilliant job.

 

When I see the kids faces in August getting their results it makes the blood, sweat and tears worth it, on both parts. (Oh, that's a holiday day, but I will be in the day before the results, analysing them and the next day congratulating the kids and the week before doing the same for a level results, helping the next day with clearing if they need it, that's 5 days gone of my holidays before the planning stages, organising classrooms etc as already mentioned.)

 

The only thing I want is a reasonable deal in 20 years time (when I'm 60) if I'm still here.

 

If any new teachers are not happy with the deal they are offered now, get another job.

So did my brother. He worked for Focus DIY and a few years before they went T**s up, despite having paid into a final salary scheme for over 20 years, he was told it was being changed to a money purchase scheme.

 

No choice, no say in it. The public sector was deafening in their support......not.

 

My mother was a headmistress in a state primary and when she started teaching, she had parental support. When she retired in the early 90s, very few parents supported the school. Whoever posted about school being there to educate, not childmind, got it right.

[markm]

(the TA's do the majority of the actual work)

 

 

All HTLAs have THIS opinion. Funny how all teachers see something very different.

Edited July 11, 2014 by markm

[Richie10]

The amount of rubbish these leftie teachers fill the childrens head with is incredible.

 

They all come out of school as little socialists.

 

So they sit back and rely on parents to fund their lifestyle, just like real lefties.

[delburt0]

Didn't know we were your childminders!

Unreliable ones at that.

[markm]

Unreliable ones at that.

Maybe, but cheap as chips.

[delburt0]

Childminders that have no idea of life in the real world. You go from school, to college then university (yes with grants or loans that don't need repaying) then to school again. Granted you may work some of your whats is it 70 plus days holiday but the bloke like me and my other half who only gets 22 days holiday a year and hasn't had a pay rise for seven years despite having a college education too.. You have no idea how life in the real world goes. If it wasn't for the blue rinse brigade in my parents, she wouldn't have worked as we had no intention of claiming benefits. We work damn hard, never asked for payouts and yes we do receive family allowance but that doesn't come anywhere near the cost of school meals (Jamie Oliver take note!!!!) school trips, school uniform with specific school logo, so called 'voluntary contribution or it doesn't happen' school trips, sports day, fund raisers for sports equipment, etc etc, bus fares for the oldest to get to school and home. Yes we made the decision to have children and I do not regret it for an instant, but think about the other hardworking folk contributing to society who cannot strike and at the end of the day pay your wages before you feel badly done to !!!

Edited July 11, 2014 by delburt0

[Paddy Galore!]

anybody got any symphony for the teachers strike.

I for one have none .

 

 

yes, but it's bitter sweet.

[islandgun]

My sister in law is an assistant head in a large comprehensive in blackburn she leaves home at 6-30 am and gets back at 6-30 pm, then does marking, she is a great teacher and the young adults love her, she trained hard and works hard, I trust her judgement

[Big Al]

Childminders that have no idea of life in the real world.

 

You have no idea how life in the real world goes.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I worked in "the world outside school" for years before I went back to the classroom. So have a fair few of my friends and colleagues. I went to my interview for teaching college straight from the building site, even having to apologise for the state of my shoes.

 

I will concede though that the best teachers I know have worked outside school before the classroom. They also prepare the children better for life in the workplace (as they have been there themselves.)

 

I have Bill Gates' 10 rules for life stuck to my classroom wall and I make inspectors read it when they are in my room.

[delburt0]

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I worked in "the world outside school" for years before I went back to the classroom. So have a fair few of my friends and colleagues. I went to my interview for teaching college straight from the building site, even having to apologise for the state of my shoes.

I will concede though that the best teachers I know have worked outside school before the classroom. They also prepare the children better for life in the workplace (as they have been there themselves.)

I have Bill Gates' 10 rules for life stuck to my classroom wall and I make inspectors read it when they are in my room.

Reading that I no you can't win this debate.

[Big Al]

Reading that I no you can't win this debate.

I'm not trying to win a debate. Just asking you not to assume that all teachers have no experience outside the classroom.

[birdsallpl]

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I worked in "the world outside school" for years before I went back to the classroom. So have a fair few of my friends and colleagues. I went to my interview for teaching college straight from the building site, even having to apologise for the state of my shoes.

I will concede though that the best teachers I know have worked outside school before the classroom. They also prepare the children better for life in the workplace (as they have been there themselves.)

I have Bill Gates' 10 rules for life stuck to my classroom wall and I make inspectors read it when they are in my room.

Big Al

I'm not trying to be a smart a*s* but what rule did you leave out. I thought his speech was 11 rules

[keg]

Rule number 11 is the same everywhere- don't get caught!

[Willxx]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/schoolrules.asp

 

Origins: No, the above-cited list of "Rules Kids Won't Learn in School" didn't originate with former Microsoft CEO Bill Gates. (It's often cited on the Internet as having come from his book Business @ The Speed of Thought, but it didn't.) Why it has frequently been attributed to him is a mystery to us, as it doesn't sound at all like something he would write. Possibly it's because the item that typically ends the Internet-circulated version of the list ("Be nice to nerds") struck a chord with someone who views Gates as the ultimate successful nerd of all time.

 

 

Doesn't make the rules bad though!

 

Should put some on here starting with:

 

1. Anyone not loudly espousing a political bent somewhat to the right of Ghengis Khan is not automatically a leftie New Labour apologist who should therefore have their SGC revoked

 

I'm sure we could come up with plenty more

[CaptainBeaky]

 

1. Anyone not loudly espousing a political bent somewhat to the right of Ghengis Khan is not automatically a leftie New Labour apologist who should therefore have their SGC revoked

 

Ghenghis Khan?

 

I'd be wary of quoting that dangerously left-wing pinko subversive around here...

[dashman1]

Bone idle atb

[overandunder2012]

The amount of rubbish these leftie teachers fill the childrens head with is incredible.

 

They all come out of school as little socialists.

 

So they sit back and rely on parents to fund their lifestyle, just like real lefties.

dear oh dear talk about stereo typing its not 1975

Edited July 12, 2014 by overandunder2012

[Gordon R]

I have to admit I am genuinely surprised at the slagging that the teachers have attracted. They are doing a job, like others - some good - some not so good.

 

Whatever occupation you care to mention - there is always someone who brings it into disrepute. We can all cite numerous examples of bad workers, but I fail to see just we some relish the opportunity to slag another section of society.

 

I personally think that the Fire Service staff risk their lives, in a dangerous job. That said, I have come across firemen who were doing a second job whilst they were supposed to be in work. One of my neighbours was suspended from the Fire Service - when he was found to be asleep at work. No-one was concerned that he was asleep - but he was sleeping on the floor, when he should have used a bed. Another was suspended for having a ride inside an industrial spin drier. I accept these are in a minority, but it just shows how easy it is to throw mud - if that is your aim.

[kdubya]

I have to admit I am genuinely surprised at the slagging that the teachers have attracted. They are doing a job, like others - some good - some not so good.

 

 

Me to, I can only assume that the bashers feel let down by the educational system, some badly it seems as the opening title ironically proves beyond doubt.

 

KW

[keg]

As does your post I do agree with Gordon though, good and bad in every walk of life.

 

My issue is why the public sector should be excluded from the same reforms that affect the private sector. After all, we are all in it together.....

[figgy]

For a forum full of knowledge and well rounded opinion, the diatribe spewed forth on this subject is disheartening to read.

 

Normally we have a good reasoned debate but this is just a rant at the teaching profession.

 

Figgy

[aldivalloch]

Childminders that have no idea of life in the real world. You go from school, to college then university (yes with grants or loans that don't need repaying) then to school again. Granted you may work some of your whats is it 70 plus days holiday but the bloke like me and my other half who only gets 22 days holiday a year and hasn't had a pay rise for seven years despite having a college education too.. You have no idea how life in the real world goes. If it wasn't for the blue rinse brigade in my parents, she wouldn't have worked as we had no intention of claiming benefits. We work damn hard, never asked for payouts and yes we do receive family allowance but that doesn't come anywhere near the cost of school meals (Jamie Oliver take note!!!!) school trips, school uniform with specific school logo, so called 'voluntary contribution or it doesn't happen' school trips, sports day, fund raisers for sports equipment, etc etc, bus fares for the oldest to get to school and home. Yes we made the decision to have children and I do not regret it for an instant, but think about the other hardworking folk contributing to society who cannot strike and at the end of the day pay your wages before you feel badly done to !!!

Rants like yours don't help to promote intelligent debate.

 

Teachers have as much awareness of life in the real world as any of the rest of us - perhaps more, due to what they see and hear in the classroom on a daily basis.

 

I think you'll find there are virtually no grants, and loans DO have to be repaid once the student has entered the workplace and passed the earnings threshhold. So anyone who took a student loan in order to qualify as a teacher will be paying it back.

 

Plenty people have had 'inadequate' pay-rises, or no rise at all, these last ten years. Plenty of people have worked hard, and continue to do so. So take heart, you're not alone. And what do you want done about the expense of school meals, uniforms, trips, etc.? Do you think these should be free? Perhaps you should just consider that they are part and parcel of cost of having children.

 

What a lot of people contributing to this debate seem still to fail to acknowledge is that we are, by and large, pretty well off in this country. I can't take seriously those who wail that they are hard done-by from the comfort of well-furnished homes, with cars at the door, in a well-ordered country that has health and education systems that, whilst they may not be perfect, are still beyond the wildest dreams of a very large proportion of the population of this planet.

 

Count your blessings.

For a forum full of knowledge and well rounded opinion, the diatribe spewed forth on this subject is disheartening to read.

 

Normally we have a good reasoned debate but this is just a rant at the teaching profession.

 

Figgy

Probably one of the most intelligent comments so far! Well said.

Edited July 12, 2014 by aldivalloch