spanj Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 They will still be UK citizens though - just living in another country. Being a UK citizen offers all sorts of benefits of course, like consular support, and the ability to live and work in any EU country, no need for visas when visiting most countries, etc. Just wondering if Scots who vote yes will put their patriotism above that convenience by renouncing their UK citizenship. no they wont as they wont be united will they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Are they showing back to back Braveheart on telly tonight as a bit of a boost? f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 no they wont as they wont be united will they They will carry the same passport as you - it will still say British Citizen inside. They may well take Scottish citizenship too - that is up to the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Ok its the Daily Mail but some evidence perhaps of the tactics of Mr Mugabe about the 'Yes' campaign in this mornings edition. Stones through windows showing 'No' symbols etc. Its down to the Government to be 'just fair' when the Scots decide to go, or, since theres no viable alternative to the Conservative Party, I will vote UKIP. I have been stunned by the whole thing - just no way to run a country or two. Kes, I couldnt agree more with your last sentence. I am truly ashamed of the british government who have offered the worst deal for the british people without so much as a nod from the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 On the passport issue, most likely, Scots would have a choice of either or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 At the risk of seeming like I don't know much about the subject (which to be honest, I don't ) I keep seeing the revenue from 'Scottish' oil being bandied around as the saviour of an independent country. The oil may be Scottish (or may not), but surely the things that bob around and the drilly things they use to get it up to the surface belong to the UK, which they will no longer be part of. I haven't seen any mention of rental of this very expensive equipment, nor any plans for what to do if we just say they can't play with our toys at all. Again, this is assuming the structures belong to the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Your Westminster government has forced the hand and the sovereign will of the Scottish people will prevail one way or another. Just about sums up the level of understanding of the "Yes" voters. It is our not your government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Not long now folks. I'll be watching this vote more closely than the uk elections in the past. Tears before bedtime from one side or another for sure. Now what's a good Irish Welsh or English Malt? New opening for English Malt maybe, we're beating France at sparkling wine, Malt no problem. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 hopefully it doesn't; regardless of the outcome Westminster must now realise that how the UK is currently run doesn't work and the whole thing needs modernised across the board. With regard to national debt; the Scottish government wants to pay its fair share but Westminster said that Scotland wouldn't get their share of UK assests and salmond was saying you cant have it both ways. The Uk ecomony is the world's 6th biggest, it's the fastest growing in Europe, and the G7. Un-employment is down, again. We are going to be much better off sticking together than forcing a split of a mutually beneficial 300 year old union on the basis of un-costed fantasy projections and a surge of nationalistic pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Just to lighten the mood http://youtu.be/pzQ1pNfbe3Q nothing wrong with a surge of nationalistic pride johnnie Edited September 17, 2014 by AULD YIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 At the risk of seeming like I don't know much about the subject (which to be honest, I don't ) I keep seeing the revenue from 'Scottish' oil being bandied around as the saviour of an independent country. The oil may be Scottish (or may not), but surely the things that bob around and the drilly things they use to get it up to the surface belong to the UK, which they will no longer be part of. I haven't seen any mention of rental of this very expensive equipment, nor any plans for what to do if we just say they can't play with our toys at all. Again, this is assuming the structures belong to the UK It's my understanding that "the drilly things" belong to private companies and the revenue comes from taxing the private companies. Of course my understanding might be completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 nothing wrong with a surge of nationalistic pride Unless you're English...that would class you as a racist, bigoted little englander. Double standards eh, you gotta love 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 wot will happen to the armed forces, owt will happen to the union jack flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Having listened to hours of debate on this I think the scots deserve independence and if we could only vote down here in lovely England I would be a 'yes' voter. An elderly friend of my BH's said yesterday, having listened to the debate, she would now not be drinking Scotch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 wot will happen to the armed forces, owt will happen to the union jack flag The Scots will retain all the old named battalions and set up a military museum. The Union flag wont be valid anymore and should feature a dragon more prominently as a result, Dont think NI has a national symbol. We just need Georges Cross. The union flag will end up in a Scottish museum with the motto 'we finally stuffed the English (NI and Wales) and here, together with the redundant flag is the piece of Scotlands nose that was the price to win" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Personally, if it is a yes vote, I feel we should keep Union flag as a reminder to them of what could have been when it all goes wrong. I'm proud of the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Having listened to hours of debate on this I think the scots deserve independence and if we could only vote down here in lovely England I would be a 'yes' voter. An elderly friend of my BH's said yesterday, having listened to the debate, she would now not be drinking Scotch! Quite right - I will think twice before buying anything Scottish. I think the debits have been doing the same for English goods for some time. Perhaps time for some English nationalism and pride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Not giving up my Talisker if I can help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 On the passport issue, most likely, Scots would have a choice of either or both. thats up to US not them they have to come to an agreement with the UK KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Having listened to hours of debate on this I think the scots deserve independence and if we could only vote down here in lovely England I would be a 'yes' voter. An elderly friend of my BH's said yesterday, having listened to the debate, she would now not be drinking Scotch! Yep I love (as is known on here) a drop of the hard stuff I have even visited many many distilleries and traveled to just about all the Scottish isles (wonder how many bravehearts have done that) but and its a serious but I will be giving Jap whiskey a go should the ungrateful beggers decide as I hope they do to go their own way KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 wot will happen to the armed forces, owt will happen to the union jack flag I'd imagine that those Scots currently serving will be retained for the full term of their contracts, unless of course they want to leave. Not sure what would happen with the Royal Regt of Scotland, maybe they would be employed on the same basis as the Ghurkas. The only exceptions I can see to this are in the various intelligence branches of the military and civil service, since upon separation the Scots will become foreign nationals and will therefore require nationality waivers to be in place for them to be retained. This is not a simple procedure on a case by case basis, so I cant see how it could (or would given the potential political mood post independence) be implemented en masse. As for the flag, I suppose it would have to change, and I would support that since the remainder of the UK would need to move forward too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 This is pure divide and conquer. We are being Balkanized. Wales will be next, then Northern Ireland and then Cornwall. I don't personally think we should let them get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 thats up to US not them they have to come to an agreement with the UK KW No, you cannot just unilaterally revoke someones citizenship. They will all remain British Citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 The only exceptions I can see to this are in the various intelligence branches of the military and civil service, since upon separation the Scots will become foreign nationals and will therefore require nationality waivers to be in place for them to be retained. This is not a simple procedure on a case by case basis, so I cant see how it could (or would given the potential political mood post independence) be implemented en masse. They will be 'foreign nationals' to Scotland i.e. they are foreign citizen in the country they are living in. They will still be British Citizens though. For civil service jobs - those jobs would (or should) come back to the UK. As for military - it is not unheard of to have military bases in other countries, though somehow I doubt the Scots would want this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 They will still be British Citizens though Not under the terms of our intelligence sharing agreements with other nations. They would require nationality waivers post independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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