Gordon R Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 It is more important - I don't see the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Where did you read this? Online there are lots of articles on this and many subjects. Some good views from various sources. A few from different daily papers that for once are singing from the same hymn sheet. Some of the issues are out of our control as EU dictates what happens in some aspects, others are for the Uk government to decide. Had a good read surfing links and articles. Salmons seems to think he decides what happens which is not the case at all as he don't have a say in a lot of things. Figgy Edited September 18, 2014 by figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Last nights news had a number of YES supporters going on about having their " Freedom".Sorry but members of my family gave everything ,including their lives ,in the last two world wars to give them the real freedom they enjoy today.Perhaps they have been watching too many Mel Gibson films.Not had much time for Gordon Brown recently but by goodness he told it like is yesterday.Love Scotland and visiting the land of my ancestors but afraid this vote will bring nothing but trouble whatever the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 craiglearn is right. Anyone living in Scotland no matter if you vote Yes or No in the referendum can kiss your guns and sport goodbye and then unfortunately the cancer is going to spread over the border. You might as well go now and hand in your shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Online there are lots of articles on this and many subjects. Some good views from various sources. A few from different daily papers that for once are singing from the same hymn sheet. Some of the issues are out of our control as EU dictates what happens in some aspects, others are for the Uk government to decide. Got any links? What I said is true as it stands now. Laws could be changed, but it would not really be easy to single out the Scots over anyone else. What about the 50% who voted no - why punish them? Don't get me wrong - i'm totally against separation, but there are some things which are so ingrained in law that changing them would pose many difficulties. Citizenship laws are one of these. It is easy enough to change laws on requirements to become a citizen, but to single out people who happen to currently live in Scotland and remove their citizenship would be very very difficult. Things which could be done could be to make passport renewal expensive if you are not a UK taxpayer. Ok, so they may not have a current British passport - but they're still British Citizens. Put procedures into place so that Scottish residents don't make use of British services (without paying). Of course, these could be seen as vengeful - and the Scots could well retaliate in other ways. All in all this whole referendum idea was a poor one. I blame Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) It is more important - I don't see the comparison. the relevence is to get fieldsports persons not to vote for salmond ,after all the site is titled 'Pigeon Watch Shooting and Country Sports' and not' politics of the UK',remember we all stuck together on the hunting bill and got stuffed ,so devided we are all at risk .In Scotland a lot of people depend on country sports it is thier life and I would have thought to have rallied them before now that nationalism will mean jobs -their jobs Edited September 18, 2014 by graiglearn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 No links but if you search online you should find what I did and have a good read from some good sources like kings college people for one. It seems the issue of independence is a bit different this time from my understanding as Scotland borders our country. A lot of what stands with other countries is because that is what the government decided at the time and is no way written in stone as a template for Independence for future claims. Laws have to be rewritten and all sorts of agreements made, it will depend on how hardball the government wants to play and from the way they have been talking it won't be kid gloves. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Itll be a no I reckon but the thing is you just know westminster will give them what they want either way at the taxpayers expense Edited September 18, 2014 by pimpkiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 No links but if you search online you should find what I did and have a good read from some good sources like kings college people for one. It seems the issue of independence is a bit different this time from my understanding as Scotland borders our country. A lot of what stands with other countries is because that is what the government decided at the time and is no way written in stone as a template for Independence for future claims. Laws have to be rewritten and all sorts of agreements made, it will depend on how hardball the government wants to play and from the way they have been talking it won't be kid gloves. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Laws have to be rewritten and all sorts of agreements made, it will depend on how hardball the government wants to play and from the way they have been talking it won't be kid gloves. Figgy Let's hope that's the case and the government doesn't cave in.... I can't say I'm overly optimistic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 A strong government wouldn't have let it come to this in the first place. Salmond appears to have got the referendum on his terms not ours. Cameron will probably be gone next week if it's a yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 All the papers and the news will be even more into over the next 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Just had a look at BBC on-line to see if I could get an up to the minute readout of the polls, but the most recent was a You-Gov poll from yesterday stating 50% NO, 45% YES and undecided 6% ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 A strong government wouldn't have let it come to this in the first place. Salmond appears to have got the referendum on his terms not ours. Cameron will probably be gone next week if it's a yes. The real problem is the Scots want a more socialist government and they will never get that with with the torys in charge what they should have done was to give them more powers to run there part of the country in there own way but still keep overall control over the bigger things Ie defence etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Anyone handed their shotguns in - as one poster suggested? I presume he has already done so, to avoid a queue. Talk about quantum leap in logic. I hope the voters put a bit more thought in to their vote. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wonder if folks are looking at house swap opurtunities over the borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 What will happen to Shetland, Orkney s and Western Isles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 What will happen to Shetland, Orkney s and Western Isles? They're saying they wouldn't necessarily want to join Scotland in the event of a yes vote. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/shetland-may-reconsider-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Blame that waste of space Blair, his lot started it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Are we free of the chippy, finger pointing whingers yet? Anyone know when we'll find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 A strong government wouldn't have let it come to this in the first place. Salmond appears to have got the referendum on his terms not ours. Cameron will probably be gone next week if it's a yes. Just to correct you, salmond didn't get the referendum on his terms. He wanted the devo max as a question but Westminster said no; its a straight Yes or No as a result. Devo Max would have been the preferred option of most scots but whatever the result its shaken up political fever across Scotland and Im sure will benefit our friends in England as Westminster has been shaken to the core by the ongoings up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Blame that waste of space Blair, his lot started it all. he only started it via offering devolution, cameron allowed jimmy crankie to set the question and involve 16 year olds so in a way they both fell for the 3 card trick of an SNP shyster. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Are we free of the chippy, finger pointing whingers yet? Anyone know when we'll find out? you will never be free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sometimes it takes these upheavals to make changes for the better. Lets face it there is an awful lot wrong with our government and the EU were signed up to for the time being. Wonder if our Government were that sure of a no vote that they orchestrated these events to squash any referendum on a vote on our EU status. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sometimes it takes these upheavals to make changes for the better. Lets face it there is an awful lot wrong with our government and the EU were signed up to for the time being. Wonder if our Government were that sure of a no vote that they orchestrated these events to squash any referendum on a vote on our EU status. Figgy With all the bad publicity for Cameron re this mess, UKIP should have a lot better chance of it at the General Election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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