welsh1 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes...quite Wiki A disease is a particular abnormal, pathological condition that affects part or all of an organism. It is often construed as a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs.[1] It may be caused by factors originally from an external source, such as infectious disease, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases. In humans, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. Oxford dictionary A disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physicalinjury: You are quite right and i owe an apology to fenboy for my misunderstanding. Some interesting reading, https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200809/is-depression-disease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Thank you for pointing that out Pernod , hopefully the other 15 of your posts over the last 7 years have been as thought provoking . Now thats funny!!!! He shoots, he scores!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I have encountered people with genuine stress related illness and also those who swing the lead. Unfortunately the medical profession err on the side of caution when diagnosing it and that plays into the hands of those few that want to play the game. Those that were genuine were a right old state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 My Doc is happy to sign you off with stress at the drop of a hat so I'm guessing that its quite common-I think that you should be careful, however, if your Doc prescribes you any kind of sedative or anti depressant-could make your Gun licence situation a little tricky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think Stress, Depression, Bad backs are used by a lot of the wrong uns, because these conditions are hard to disprove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think Stress, Depression, Bad backs are used by a lot of the wrong uns, because these conditions are hard to disprove. Absolutely, diagnosed by differential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzJo Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I was signed off with stress for four weeks once, to be honest it was a life saver, at the time I was working for a huge and well known American firm, managing a team of six designers. The stress of the daily, 80 mile commute up and down one of Britain's busiest motorways coupled with the pressure of constantly having to deliver the same or more in less time and for less cost eventually got to me after 5 years. I'm not a very emotional man but found myself rapidly becoming so, unable to sleep, couldn't see a way out (usual family and mortgage commitments). Those four weeks gave me time to reevaluate my life and priorities and realise that I didn't need to be someone else's cog to earn a living. I managed to negotiate an exit plan and went freelance, that was nearly ten years ago and I've never looked back. Stress is very different from depression, and people deal with it differently. In my case it just wore me down until I could no longer cope with it, no need for medication, just enough breathing space to revaluate things. good for you mate. I have been lucky enough not to deal with stress but my wife has, her parents split up, she got made redundant, was struggling to find another (she has one now), we lost 2 babies within the space of 8 months so I can understand what can cause someone to just give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Not advice as such , but I think anyone taking months off work for such things should be shown graphic photos of our wounded from afganistan and Iraq , then they should be asked *** they have to be stressed / depressed about. There are far too many people who use it as a excuse for a few weeks / months on the sick. pig ignorance at its very best, I have worked with two lads who had breakdowns (one still at work) due to the stress of the job, not a nice thing to see. we also had one young engineer who kept it to himself, he was found hanging from a tree in layby on the A19 KW Edited February 17, 2015 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think Stress, Depression, Bad backs are used by a lot of the wrong uns, because these conditions are hard to disprove. Migrane is the big unproveable where I work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 2 types of stress caused by the work environment caused by personal problems out of work both can be remedied....by just talking to someone, and not treating them as a number or disposable resorce...a good manager would tackle this and as a result it would come back quids for both of them..................ive had enjineers weeping their heart out in my office...for various reasons...and have been instrumental in sorting their problems....and as a result they have moved heaven and earth to help me onsite when they were sorted.... also it makes you feel better about yourself.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 The ads on the radio are very true. sometimes all it takes is a text or call from a mate or a friendly and meant "how's things mate" I could not have got through the last year without four close friends who picked me out of the mental gutter I was in and were empathetic. always considered my self a tough ish guy but when your mind wants to stiff you there's sweet diddly you can do about it without help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 pig ignorance at its very best, I have worked with two lads who had breakdowns (one still at work) due to the stress of the job, not a nice thing to see. we also had one young engineer who kept it to himself, he was found hanging from a tree in layby on the A19 KW Are you sure it's not simply working with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 pig ignorance at its very best, I have worked with two lads who had breakdowns (one still at work) due to the stress of the job, not a nice thing to see. we also had one young engineer who kept it to himself, he was found hanging from a tree in layby on the A19 KW I think Fenboy has redeemed himself, he's done the research and apologised. It does show though, how mental illness is still a taboo, even innocently misunderstanding how covert, by nature it can be, but how overtly it can have catastrophic results if not treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Stress and Guns may not be a good combination in the eyes of our friends at Firearms Licencing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Stress and Guns may not be a good combination in the eyes of our friends at Firearms Licencing Everyone has stress, not everyone has a depressive illness which will lead to violent ends, very few do. It has to be understood that most depressed people either don't know they are, which is common, or are scared to see a health professional because of fear of repercussion, both have the potential to let things simmer until something 'breaks'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 2 types of stress caused by the work environment caused by personal problems out of work both can be remedied....by just talking to someone, and not treating them as a number or disposable resorce...a good manager would tackle this and as a result it would come back quids for both of them..................ive had enjineers weeping their heart out in my office...for various reasons...and have been instrumental in sorting their problems....and as a result they have moved heaven and earth to help me onsite when they were sorted.... also it makes you feel better about yourself.......... The understated 'soft skills' that so many managers lack, it's proven to have nothing but positive results on work ethic and performance, managerial dinosaurs love the aggressive, next to god delusion of grandeur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roostshooter1 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Hi guys just thought i would but my piece forward on this subject . I was a royal marine for 7 years and have seen some horific injurys to both my fellow marines but also the enemy some of which were caused by me at the hands of my ai 338 lap mag and the screams and sights will always stay with me for the rest of my life so for people suffering from stress and delression would not be helped in any way by seeing this . As regards to the treatment of stress and depression everybody is different some people need others around them and some others need to be left to sort themselfs out so its unfare for any of us to put people in a catagory that some of us who have never suffered from it can truly understand To all you boys on pw suffering at the mo i wish you well and hope you cure yourselfs of a truly hard part of your lifes and you come out fighting stronger and harder than ever cheers ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Are you sure it's not simply working with you? Sadly more to it than that, biggest issue with work related stress is that you WANT to take on more work which leads to more stress and so on till pop off you go, we now have stress awareness training so signs can be spotted quickly and confidentially, IE we have a duty of care to those we work with, may sound trite but it works. We recently had one chap in the office show symptoms , and he was spoken to, given reduced hours, his work load shared out for a few weeks and bingo he is now as right as rain, whereas the others were not picked up till to late, as said two got over it and they would willingly talk about what happened to them and how it manifested, sadly for the other the only time we knew he was having work related problems was when he was found, its no joke at all. KW Edited February 17, 2015 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Thanks for the replies guys. It is quite something that it should provoke quite a response. Some of the personal examples some of you guys have divulged have been quite something too. I have no doubts as to how detrimental to health stress can be, carcinogenic even, but the situation I was on about was concerning a friend of mine. She has an underling that is off with stress and now she too is feeling the effects of it as her boss is on her back to deal with the underling being off and they aren't being very understanding or accommodating, whereas she is very sympathetic with the person, hence wanting to see if from both employer and employees position and how it was dealt with by both parties. Naturally I agree that an open an honest dialogue is best but when you have a boss that is one of the old shouty dinosaur types, it makes it very difficult. I wish everyone who has been or is affected by stress, or even depression, all the very best for a continued good recovery and hopeful future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 bloody hell! after reading some of your posts I feel I can relate to most of these experiences, especially waking up in the middle of the night in a rage because of my cock meister boss. my wife caught me arguing with myself the other morning, I was completely oblivious I was talking out loud. I think I might need a new job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I can certainly relate to some of the posts in relation to stress as I believe I am suffering somewhat with stress at the moment due to a combination of factors with the symptoms manifesting themselves as tension headaches and a skin condition to name a couple. I'm middle management at a large firm with 16 multi-skilled engineers under my supervisor which is hard enough in itself but has been made a great deal worse due to some reorganisation within the company resulting in addition responsibilities and processes being handed to me, this couples with the normal every day issues of money worries and family life not to mention us expecting a second child and my dad being diagnosed with bowel cancer 3 weeks ago resulting in him having a section of bowel removed and after two operations and a spell in intensive care he now has a stoma bag fitted. The work issue is at a point where I'm exploring other opportunities but I'm finding it difficult after working for the same company for 22years. Apologies for slightly derailing the original thread and I can truly sympathise with anyone suffering with stress and depression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 In my last job there was an employee who went off with stress had the monthly meetings with hr etc Think was on full pay for 6 months then moved to sick pay and then eventually got paid off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I have encountered people with genuine stress related illness and also those who swing the lead. Unfortunately the medical profession err on the side of caution when diagnosing it and that plays into the hands of those few that want to play the game. Those that were genuine were a right old state. Very true, I get involved with this sort of thing all the time for work. The lead-swingers make a mockery of the genuine cases. In my recent experience someone subject to a disciplinary procedure for sexual assault at work went off with 'stress' for the maximum allowed period of company sick pay (before just SSP kicked in) then came back in for his disciplinary and subsequent sacking for Gross Misconduct. I think Stress, Depression, Bad backs are used by a lot of the wrong uns, because these conditions are hard to disprove. Yep. The understated 'soft skills' that so many managers lack, it's proven to have nothing but positive results on work ethic and performance, managerial dinosaurs love the aggressive, next to god delusion of grandeur. True. People's motivations at work are a really complex area and provided the basics are being met (such as acceptable wages etc) it stops being about those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I didn't know I had stress, I still don't accept it however doing 23 hour days and sleeping in the office for days on end, living in a car when on ops, eating fast food as it's all you get and your not sure when you'll get it again, smoking constantly and drinking when you can along with managing high risk/risk to life that's ever changing lead to it. my blood pressure was mental and I had that constant jaded feeling, like I was removed from events until adrenaline kicked in again and then I was on top of the world. The slightest noise would wake me and I would sleep again. The world wasn't darkness and light, there was just darkness and filth everywhere. For around 3 years. The Mrs who had given up accusing me of affairs told me to knock ig on the head, I did and the world was gradually a better place. A friend who had his bloood pressure checked found himself in an ambulance as the Dr ws sure the next step was cardiac arrest, lol. We lived like that daily. Giving me a slap wouldn't have helped. Talking to me would have. If you can, talk to the person as a friend, don't say much just listen and offer support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Thankfully most posts on this are sensible and intelligent . A couple are just plain weird in this day and age . It is not just the military who are exposed to high stress . How about a whole career of dealing almost daily with issues that some people only have to cope with a handful of times in their life ? Btw stress from work will often be construed as depression by a gp which will be an issue for a gun owner . I am sure this drives some people into not disclosing certain things and bottling them up with tragic outcomes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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