subsonicnat Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Right, I am having a problem with what other people called perceived lead: That is people are talking about shooting ahead of Clay Targets, NOW My Problem is if I do Try To shoot in FRONT, I MISS: If I Take the Target BLOTTED OUT, I Break Them . There Must Be Other People on here that do the same surely.?? Most of the time you hear of people shooting Behind, And to give it another 2/4 ft lead. I have tried and it doesn`t work for me anyway, Now I am not complaining you understand but, Am I Different to everybody else. I only consciously give lead of any description after about 40/45 yds, and thats not much. Please somebody tell me its all in My Personal viewing of the targets:: Need To Get it out of my head really.. Does this sound silly, or should I just dismiss it.??, As being Me.!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Gun speed is the answer. I shoot with a very slow gun movement so I see Huge amounts of lead 15ft on a 40 yard crosser. But my mate shoots swing through so he sees 18" on the same clay. Then you get people who measure lead from the barrel and they see 6" on a 40 yarder. Edited October 13, 2015 by bornfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Im no expert but when I shoot the semi I need to add lead but when I shoot the sxs its on the bead. this is on clays the same targets different gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 My 6" of lead might be someone elses 18" of lead, we all see it differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 A session with a good coach will sort this out for you very quickly ,it really is money well spent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Come to Orston shooting ground shoot sporting ,shoot "at "everything then come back with your score then tell me you don't see lead Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Some people see very little lead compared to others. People also see lead at different places at the barrels will see less lead than at the target and significantly less than some who sees it on the background. There are lots of other factors as well but this why the give it 6 foot often does not work for the next man up as he may see only 3 foot and hit the target. You must be giving these targets lead to hit them but you can't see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Remember rabbits need 12 foot of lead ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Right, I am having a problem with what other people called perceived lead: That is people are talking about shooting ahead of Clay Targets, NOW My Problem is if I do Try To shoot in FRONT, I MISS: If I Take the Target BLOTTED OUT, I Break Them . There Must Be Other People on here that do the same surely.?? Most of the time you hear of people shooting Behind, And to give it another 2/4 ft lead. I have tried and it doesn`t work for me anyway, Now I am not complaining you understand but, Am I Different to everybody else. I only consciously give lead of any description after about 40/45 yds, and thats not much. Please somebody tell me its all in My Personal viewing of the targets:: Need To Get it out of my head really.. Does this sound silly, or should I just dismiss it.??, As being Me.!!. Stay calm and carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Remember rabbits need 12 foot of lead ! Na 4 feet and a bushy tail :-):-):-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I give 150mm, that's nine inches-right? That's what I told the Missus anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banger123 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Gun speed nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flycoy Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Eye Dominance!! this changes an individuals perception of lead, if you have an eye dominance issue you may see the gun to clay relationship as dead on, but you could be giving actual lead you don't see! get a lesson...where are you from? Flycoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Eye Dominance!! this changes an individuals perception of lead, if you have an eye dominance issue you may see the gun to clay relationship as dead on, but you could be giving actual lead you don't see! get a lesson...where are you from? Flycoy North Norfolk, Wash. Stay calm and carry on. Thats What the Misses Says.lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Remember rabbits need 12 foot of lead ! Or a Lurcher ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Remember rabbits need 12 foot of lead ! Noooooo..... Gun speed nothing else .......this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) just to top this off a bit.. I ONLY look At The Clay, I do not register the gun what so ever. Surely if it was Eye Dominance, I would not be able to shoot in opposite directions, Left, Right, going away coming in etc.. The Differences I hear people talk about, on here and shooting, makes me think I could perhaps do better sometimes. Thats all really.. 40+ yds, Yes I see a Clay width probably, but not ranges, like Skeet or DTL.. Sorry Edit: I think as one or two have pointed out, it may be down to Gun Speed after all. Edited October 14, 2015 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 If it was eye dominance it would be apparenly no lead from one side and huge lead from the other. Gun speed is the culprit. The swing through shooter will see (relatively speaking) a much smaller gap than the pull away shooter, who in turn sees a smaller lead from the maintain lead, intercept or at the far end of the scale diminishing lead shooter. Faster the gun relative to the clay, smaller the perceived lead. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) If it was eye dominance it would be apparenly no lead from one side and huge lead from the other. Gun speed is the culprit. The swing through shooter will see (relatively speaking) a much smaller gap than the pull away shooter, who in turn sees a smaller lead from the maintain lead, intercept or at the far end of the scale diminishing lead shooter. Faster the gun relative to the clay, smaller the perceived lead. Ed Do You Know, I Think You Have Cracked it. . As I Do Swing Through My Targets, Not pull Away.. And as I Only Shoot to About 45yds Max probably, it wouldn`t effect me too much either.. Would it ?.. Edited October 14, 2015 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Sounds plausible to me :-) I should do this for a job..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Thats What the Misses Says.lol. She sounds like a very sensible lady and I bet she knows what comes after this:- If it ain't broke.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I give 150mm, that's nine inches-right? That's what I told the Missus anyway. My Missus would ask where the other 3 inches had gone ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 My Missus would ask where the other 3 inches had gone ! As judging length is similar to judging distance, you'll probably find that the guy that shoots 70 yards with open chokes has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 As judging length is similar to judging distance, you'll probably find that the guy that shoots 70 yards with open chokes has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 She sounds like a very sensible lady and I bet she knows what comes after this:- If it ain't broke.......... Your Bang on With that as well mate. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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