buze Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 My instructor always seems to 'see' the shot as being left/right/over/under etc. I keep staring at the clay when my wife shoot, and I very rarely see anything... Now I can understand seeing /mine/ as I shoot 12g with full chockes, but hers escape me entirely... I have actually 24/20 vision. My guess is that he does't really 'see' but more or less deduce it from where he is behind the shooter. Opinion? Trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Easiest way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nT1HDUG2WE Edited March 4, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Funny, that! http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/332001-rib-cam-anyone/ I think it's a bit too 'late' to be terribly useful in the field tho -- unless you pack the laptop at the back of the car etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 No need for laptop instant replay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If you stand behind someone look at the barrels not the target, (the opposite to when you are shooting), the target should be soft focus the barrels hard focus. You can then see the barrels in relation to the target and identify where the shot is, in front, behind above or below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If you stand behind someone look at the barrels not the target, (the opposite to when you are shooting), the target should be soft focus the barrels hard focus. You can then see the barrels in relation to the target and identify where the shot is, in front, behind above or below. Will certainly try that, thanks! I'm being told off by the Ms when I Miss seeing when she Misses :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Relaxed soft focus around the bird, if it's hit I see nothing if it's missed usually see a pencil line type streak where the shot went. You ll need to be behind and slightly over the gun to start with or that's how it worked for me. Takes a lot of time to start see where shots go then it becomes normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The bang makes my eyes close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 A coach with experience and proven background wins will always know what they are looking at when you shoot in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I always look at the bird,Soft Focus.. I always say to people who want to see it,,,,, Can You See The Road Shimmering When its a Hot Day. The Air is Moving, And thats what I think I see,,,, It Could be The Shot Cloud.!!, But More Like Air Movement.. I see it and Cannot understand why other people cannot see it.. Perhaps you may be able to Practice it, I don`t Know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I've seen it against clouds and when floodlit. Can't always see it. But I can see when my mates guns are over the clay when stood to one side. Someone coaching for a living it must be second nature like others professions that look difficult to the untrained eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I very rarely see the shot, almost never in fact. As already said it`s more about watching the barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 As Figgy says, it`s easier to observe in some light conditions than others.Cloudy background is better usually ,I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Practice! I see approx 5,000 clays a week so have got a bit of time under my belt with it. Certain light/backgrounds make it harder but 90% of the time I can see the actual shot itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Ed can you see the shot when your shooting yourself? I can only remember seeing it when watching others shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 If the bird is in the sky almost certainly, as you get lower it becomes harder as backgrounds can get trickier. Also it helps I shoot a very high stock so have great fusion around the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) somewhere In the system I have got a picture I took up at the mid wales shooting ground down on a stand where the clays simulate landing duck on the far lower end lake. one of the guns took a shot and the shot pattern can be clearly seen heading out like a swarm of bees towards the clay. I'll see if I can find it. I've never seen the pattern of shot from a shotgun but many times I have seen either the bullet or the pressure wave behind a bullet from the next shooter to me going down the 25 mtr indoor smallbore range from a 22lr rf. It's just like a silver streak Edited March 6, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 When I was coaching in Singapore a few months back I was let loose on some handguns once we finished and could see the rounds from the .45 caliber rounds clear as day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 I struggle to see the trail but I agree that it is important to try and not focus on the bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Posts # 7 and 10. Which brings us to Post # 8. The OP asked for any tricks. Idly gaze at the computer screen for a few moments and then again with your mouth open. What's different? Well, on the second time you probably didn't blink. That's the trick as, as is often said, if you blink you'll probably miss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 You can also often see the pellet with air guns especially lamping at night as for shot guns it's definitely an acquired knack and a lot depends on light conditions but as a rule you need to soft focus where you expect to see the shot having watched the body language of the shooter first a couple of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 See the bullet is not that unusual either if you right on the shoulder of someone with a Centre Fire on a clear day warm but not hot you can see the path but it's no use until you use optic to where the hole is on the target be it game or paper, so pointless for teaching. On the other hand seeing the shot for shotguns is very very useful IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Two things here 1 Never believe anyone unless they are right behind you. 2 Some shot is highly visible like, platinum coated that really shines in the sun from Auntie.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I hope you can link with that above as I am not very good at that sort of thing but it is the new F16 Blaser advert and I enjoyed watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 Never believe anyone unless they are right behind you. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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