EU EXIT Poll

[Dekers]

So, its getting close apparently, it seems to be us old timers doing it, so, if some of you youngsters would go and vote OUT, there is a good chance we will come out!

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-referendum-poll-shows-britain-split-50-50-but-higher-turnout-among-older-voters-could-tip-country-into-brexit/ar-BBsr2jy?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignoutmd

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Dekers

[martyn2233]

I'm out and not old

[Fuji Shooter]

Im marching my young lad around on the day to make sure his does his bit.

[Paul1440]

 

I honestly don't think it will make much difference either way. Trade will stay the same and people will still come to fill Jobs here, in fact probably from a wider number of countries. At least the EU countries tend to have a similar background and culture.

 

Most importantly, I like to go to Europe to Shoot and like the European Forearms pass which cuts out a load of unnecessary paperwork once you have one.

 

On this alone I'm tempted to say IN. Even if I'm considered old.

[krugerandsmith]

So, its getting close apparently, it seems to be us old timers doing it, so, if some of you youngsters would go and vote OUT, there is a good chance we will come out!

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-referendum-poll-shows-britain-split-50-50-but-higher-turnout-among-older-voters-could-tip-country-into-brexit/ar-BBsr2jy?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignoutmd

 

 

This is the danger young people voting staying in .... W

[poontang]

 

This is the danger young people voting staying in .... W

 

Historically the young are the least likely to vote, so I don't think their vote will be as significant as people would have us believe.

 

Personally I would take very little from the polls. Polling companies are all funded by someone.

 

The best indication would be to look at the results of the last European elections, where UKIP, the most Eurosceptic party, hammered the pro EU parties, the Lib Dems in particular. Had the EU taken note of that result and the similar results across Europe they may have won more support.

They didn't, and since then, with the Eurozone still in crisis, the Shengen zone collapsing, the Turks in effect blackmailing the EU establishment and Merkels suicidal immigration policy it's hard to see how anyone with a functioning brain could possibly vote to remain.

 

Those on the right of the political spectrum are pretty clear on their voting intentions (and their reasons for voting leave), whereas those on the left are in a massive dilemma. On the one hand they are against TTIP and its global big business, big money agenda, whilst on the other hand they think the EU will protect 'workers rights' and the 'little man' (neither of which is true incidentally). It's classic red on red infighting and highly entertaining.

 

Simply put, the EU is nothing more than a wannabe superpower with a rather dangerous expansionist policy, and militaristic plans, heavily influenced and backed by the US. If you want to know what the EU is really all about then read its history, from its inception as the European Coal and Steel Community, through the days of the EEC to the EU we have today. Cameron and his Quisling chums are lying to you today in the same way Heath lied to us in 1975.

 

Fool me once...shame on you.

Fool me twice...shame on me.

 

Don't be fooled again.

[team tractor]

I'm out and 34 years old. I won't be controlled by someone else

[Jamesey1981]

I'm 34 and I've been waiting for my chance to vote to leave the EU for years.

My girlfriend was undecided until recently, (although leaning towards out) but Obama joining in has pushed her to vote out as well, I would imagine there's a fair few people that he's had that effect on as well.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jamesey1981

[Paul1440]

Cameron and his Quisling chums are lying to you today in the same way Heath lied to us in 1975.

So these type of people (everone calls muppets) will be left to run the UK alone? Fantastic.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Paul1440

[Jamesey1981]

So these type of people (everone calls muppets) will be left to run the UK alone? Fantastic.

Do you really think the politicians within the European Commission are any better?

We get to elect our own governments, if you're not happy you get to vote them out, we don't get to elect the European Commission.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jamesey1981

[jonny thomas]

Does anybody else think Cameron is stealth pushing the out vote

If he is getting Obama to tell us what to do was a master stroke

I just think he secretly wants out but if WE the British people vote out he can hold his hands up to Brussels and say well I tried my best but it was the will of the people

[12gauge82]

Does anybody else think Cameron is stealth pushing the out vote

If he is getting Obama to tell us what to do was a master stroke

I just think he secretly wants out but if WE the British people vote out he can hold his hands up to Brussels and say well I tried my best but it was the will of the people

I think Cameron's too out of touch with ordinary folk to be that smart to be fair.

[Paul1440]

Do you really think the politicians within the European Commission are any better?

We get to elect our own governments, if you're not happy you get to vote them out, we don't get to elect the European Commission.

So who would be better of the latest bunch? which Jeddi is going to save us from theFirst order?

 

Like I said earlier I've still to make mind up, I'm not convinced by either side yet. Nobody has put up a good case either way.

Lot of guessing going on or irrelevant historcal stuff.

Like Martin Lewis said. Stick with the EU you know what your getting.

Leave..it's a gamble. We might do a bit better..or it could all turn Tits up.. Who really knows..

 

It just gets me that people who have been posing on facebook complaining about politicians in the uk not turning up, Asleep, infor it themselves, expenses fiddling idiots are now using some outdated imperialistic retoric to convince others.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Paul1440

[daveboy]

Lets hope it rains all day,Then the "well I don't really knows" will stay at home.

[Danger-Mouse]

A lovely bit of subtle (ish) bias again on Radio 1 today. A little news item about roaming charges changing in the next couple of days. Then the barbed comment at the end of the bulletin "No one knows what will happen regarding the charges if we leave the EU. It may well be true but it`s just another example of the Biased Broadcasting Company supporting the Remain side`s Project Fear. I`m so pleased I cancelled my tv license.

[Danger-Mouse]

Like Martin Lewis said. Stick with the EU you know what your getting.

..

 

Hmmm, do you really? Do you actually believe that if we stay in we won`t be pushed into ever closer union? Do you really believe that the eurocrats will be happy with the status quo? They have a flag and an anthem, military and police forces are what they want next.

 

I don`t particularly love our government or indeed our electoral system but it`s a darn sight more democratic than that of the EU.

[chris1961]

OUT then get rid of Cameron couldn't do much worse

[FatFreddysCat]

Out. Europe will fall apart anyway. It will be better to leave in a controlled manner before the chaos that will ensue when Europe implodes.

[la bala]

I am old and want out, it worked fine before we were in, there is no reason it shouldnt work the same again. To all the politicians that want in, i say this. Go the whole hog if you dear, Go for the euro, if you want to be in it, do it properly. Oh and by the way, how much is it going to cost to change all the road signs throughout the UK to kilometers. But there i forgot, you only want the bits you want. End of rant.

[Jamesey1981]

So who would be better of the latest bunch? which Jeddi is going to save us from theFirst order?

 

What an idiotic statement.

 

Politicians aren't perfect by any means, and we have a rather sorry bunch currently, but each and every MP in the House of Commons was elected in this country, don't like them, don't vote for them, think you can do better, then run in the next election, that's democracy.

You think we have it bad? Have a look at the candidates for the US presidential election and think again.

 

People that were scared of change and blindly voting to keep things the same are part of the reason for the stagnation in British politics, we had a chance to change the way politicians were elected a few years ago, the British public decided to keep things how they are, I wonder how many people criticising the current government actually voted to do something about it in the electoral reform referendum.

 

We don't even get a vote in who runs the EU, and as for standing for election for the EU commission, forget it, there is no election, the European Commission decides who runs the European Commission, that doesn't sound much like democracy to me, that sounds more like a thinly disguised dictatorship run by committee, and the EU has shown itself time and time again to be not just undemocratic, but actively anti democratic.

 

There's no certainty when it comes to remaining in the EU either, it really is horribly unstable, just ask any Greek, Spaniard or Italian.

 

The fact is that no one has any idea what will happen if we leave or remain as nothing like this has ever happened before, anyone on either side that claims to know how it will go is only giving their opinion, there is no precedent, so if you're waiting for an answer then you're not going to get one unless you ask your magic 8 ball, shock horror, you're going to have to decide for yourself.

 

I want my country run by people that the people of my country have elected, for better or worse, not by some corrupt foreigner that NO ONE has elected and is accountable to NO ONE, that is why I will be voting to leave.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jamesey1981

[Vince Green]

Leaving the EU would not be like leaving a job where you just put your coat on Friday afternoon and walk out the door. Initially at least it would be more like going self employed but remaining at your same place of work..

[Paul1440]

There's no certainty when it comes to remaining in the EU either, it really is horribly unstable, just ask any Greek, Spaniard or

Actually, Somebody did.. and they, especially the Greeks who mostly love it (Please check).

 

The point was that those who have been decrying the UK government have now magically changed their stance..

 

Also what about the new deal that (Cameron) they have recently Brokered meaning that we wnot be subject to losing more power to Brussels.

 

I'm nor arguing, I honestly still don't know how to vote. There's good and bad points on both sides and a hell of a lot to consider and no one really knows the final picture of what Brexit will mean.

 

There's alot of ******** being spoken by both sides..

Edited April 30, 2016 by Paul1440

[poontang]

So these type of people (everone calls muppets) will be left to run the UK alone? Fantastic.

 

UK politicians are rank amateurs compared to the commissioners and presidents of the EU.

 

Unfortunately it's precisely your attitude, (and others of the same opinion to yours) which has led us to the weak, corrupt political class we are now lumbered with.

 

It seems you don't think we as a country are capable of running our own affairs, and making our own decisions?

[Jamesey1981]

Actually, Somebody did.. and they, especially the Greeks who mostly love it (Please check).

 

The point was that those who have been decrying the UK government have now magically changed their stance..

 

Also what about the new deal that (Cameron) they have recently Brokered meaning that we wnot be subject to losing more power to Brussels.

 

I'm nor arguing, I honestly still don't know how to vote. There's good and bad points on both sides and a hell of a lot to consider and no one really knows the final picture of what Brexit will mean.

 

There's alot of ******** being spoken by both sides..

I see your point, but that "deal" really gives us nothing, and still needs to be voted on, if we vote to stay I'll bet every penny in my bank account that none of it actually happens, and even if it does, if you look past the spin it wouldn't change anything at all.

 

To me it's not about money or immigration, or losing more power, or any of the other myriad reasons to stay or leave, ANY power to run this country in Brussels is too much, my grandparents generation fought and died to preserve our sovereignty, to give it away willingly is both cheap and disrespectful.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jamesey1981

[UKPoacher]

Actually, Somebody did.. and they, especially the Greeks who mostly love it (Please check).

 

The point was that those who have been decrying the UK government have now magically changed their stance..

 

Also what about the new deal that (Cameron) they have recently Brokered meaning that we wnot be subject to losing more power to Brussels.

 

I'm nor arguing, I honestly still don't know how to vote. There's good and bad points on both sides and a hell of a lot to consider and no one really knows the final picture of what Brexit will mean.

 

There's alot of ******** being spoken by both sides..

That deal that Cameron has supposedly 'brokered' is subject to approval by the EU. If they don't agree to it then it will never happen. As for the other things he asked for; he got short shrift. Mainly because some Eastern European countries are happy to be able to export their unemployable people to the UK where they will as a right receive the same benefits as any UK resident.

 

So when Cameron and Osborne tell you that Britain will be better off inside a 'reformed' EU ask them who is going to reform it? Because they tried and failed.