bruno22rf Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 With the greatest respect fern01, let's not forget that France lost 600,000 of her people during the last conflict - her armies were poorly equipped and totally unprepared for the might of the Wehrmacht - as were we, our only saving grace was Geography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 My daughter & son-in-law just came back from a tour of the 1st WW battlefields in Belgium where they learned a lot. They brought back three rusty SMLE bayonets. Apparently the locals have a thriving business metal detecting the battlefields and selling everything they can find, weapons, ammunition, personal possessions, boots, uniforms, ANYTHING. Have they no shame? That is a rather strange view. After all, people are not too shamed to buy the stuff they dig up, or look for it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 So, which EU country is about to declare war on another? Invasion is already taking place, though. And when Turkey joins............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 And removing borders along with our sovereignty with many of our values, the value of the man in the streets vote won't? Are people aware how many times from 45 this whole thing has been dumped as unworkable and likely to lead to another war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker58 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Don't be too hard on the French, they are lovely people, I bought a rifle off one, he was a really nice guy it was in great condition, it had only been dropped once. ...douglas jerrold (1803-1875) - english author & journalist "The best thing I know between England and France is the sea". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker58 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 The UK population were told by their own Prime Minister that war could best be avoided by agreeing to further unification in Europe. A group of powerful European states decided it would suit their own interests if one of them was allowed to force its administration methods on a smaller independent country. The British Prime Minister signed up to that agreement. The independent country was not even permitted to attend the conference that decided its fate. Cameron is not the first UK Prime Minister to try peddling this argument about how unification would avoid war. Britain, France and Italy were the countries who agreed in 1938 that parts of Czechoslovakia should be handed over to German control. Well, it wasn't very effective at preventing war last time round. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" samual johnson "He that wishes to see his country robbed of its rights can not be a patriot". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) So, which EU country is about to declare war on another? Invasion is already taking place, though. And when Turkey joins............ Spain on us. Having seen the tomfoolery going on over the visit of a nuclear sub from a fellow NATO member, you have to think... Edited May 10, 2016 by keg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 War in Europe...at least all the Syrians and Romanians andTurks will **** off home.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 War in Europe...at least all the Syrians and Romanians andTurks will **** off home.... Not ALL The ISIS (& others) among them will become a Fifth Column for Hire.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Churchill,s opinions of germany The Hun will allways be at your throat or your feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I thought Camoron was a decent bloke before this. Now I realise what a complete bottom he is. Boris for PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I thought Camoron was a decent bloke before this. Now I realise what a complete bottom he is. Boris for PM. You mean Borris trump otherwise known as the duck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Well, if there is war in Europe all the old Vera Lynn records would be re released. "We'll meet again etc., etc.," Edited May 10, 2016 by simonb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 we will win easily Europe are trying to ban all there guns they will have nothing to fight with lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 So many voices in favour. Carolyn Fairbairn (CBI) to Gove. 'It is wilfully misleading to suggest that a large proportion of businesses want to leave the EU- every business survey bar none shows a majority wanting to stay in the EU'. Eighty percent of the CBI's members said that business would be more successful within the EU and only 5% want to leave. Surprising maybe given the 'madness' of staying in that there are so many voices from those in a position to understand the impact on jobs and trade that want to stay put? Thursday we can look forward to the BOE inflation report but hey what do they know? Oh and the £ is down 3% since February against a basket of currencies but thats probably just those with a vested interest speculating and it will help exports. Fortunately we don't have a financial interest in the EU so no need to worry. I just love your posts, you're exactly the type Cameron and co are aiming at Call me Dave reckons if you vote "in" the EU will sprinkle fairy dust everywhere and make Europe a beautiful place where no-one has to work, all health care is free , you can roam wherever you like and claim benefits and expenses anywhere in europe. And NO-ONE has to pay anything in Honestly, you can believe that 'cause "Dave" says it's gonna happen ............................. and he wouldn't lie would he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnix Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 If this reformed EU is so great and we will all be so better off why didn't they reform it years ago....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 If this reformed EU is so great and we will all be so better off why didn't they reform it years ago....... Is it capable of being reformed? There is no political desire for reform, in fact, for most of the countries its absolutely the last thing they would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 It is not capable of reform because it is driven from within, not from the member countries. The EU council makes decisions and then these policies are voted upon by all members, The majority of voters are poor countries who receive far more than they contribute so they don't want to rock the boat no matter how daft or unpopular the policy is.May of these policies seem to be created by idealists who aim for a Nirvana like state, and display no concept of reality. The immigration crisis is a perfect example of EU policy. They insist that refugees should be shared out amongst member countries with no regard to whether the member countries want them, can afford to keep them or can make them stay against their wills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I really don't get it, they tell us without being in the eu our economy will die and yet there's NORWAY, they tell us the security of Europe is at risk, they imply our place in NATO is at risk thus causing WW3 and yet there's NORWAY. So how come Norway being in NATO but not in the eu hasn't caused WW3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) The big problem is that people just make statements without any thought about what those statements mean in reality. Cameron said we would take some of the unaccompanied children from the camps. OK so that doesn't sound too bad, then you stop and think about the implications. Every child has to be put into care and found permanent placements. That's a massively expensive and time consuming process over many years for each child. Its not like the old days when evacuated kids were just shared out. Every little thing that sounds so simple actually turns out to so complicated. Edited May 11, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 The big problem is that people just make statements without any thought about what those statements mean in reality. Cameron said we would take some of the unaccompanied children from the camps. OK so that doesn't sound too bad, then you stop and think about the implications. Every child has to be put into care and found permanent placements. That's a massively expensive and time consuming process over many years for each child. Its not like the old days when evacuated kids were just shared out. Every little thing that sounds so simple actually turns out to so complicated. Then when they get older they can apply for there parents to be allowed to come and join them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markfromholland Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 I wrote in another topic that Brussels is launching a plan to fine a coutry £200.000 per refused refugee. i do not know how realistic this idea is, but when there is smoke........ Germany made a calculation that current refugee problems wil cost the country the next few years approx 95 billion euros By the way, Belgium plans on having non belgium licenceplate holders to pay roadtax, just like trucks. We in holland have not such a thing, everybody with a foreign licenceplate can use our roads for free ..... sooooo, EU...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 By the way, Belgium plans on having non belgium licenceplate holders to pay roadtax, just like trucks. That's not a bad thing, we should do the same, there are a lot of EU registered cars permanently on the British roads that avoid UK road tax. I'm not talking about visitors or tourists. In my Cul de Sac there is a Greek registered car whose owner has been here at least three years that I am aware of. Loads Eastern European cars that seem to be here to stay. Realistically though, who is going to enforce it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 WW3? Bring it on. At least we can start shooting the French again. Our traditional enemy for almost 1000 years. Why did we stop shooting them anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 WW3? Bring it on. At least we can start shooting the French again. Our traditional enemy for almost 1000 years. Why did we stop shooting them anyway? That would look good on a cert .......... AOLF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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