chrisjh Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 the simple fact is nether side knows what will happen in 6 months 2 years 5 years 10 years 25 years if we stay or go it boils down to a few key points, are you happy to give away your sovereignty and self rule verses being part of the worlds largest trading block that's about it, its hard to ignore 95% of the economic intellectual elite are saying stay verses a few self-publicists and right-wing extremists advising us to vote out, in football terms it would be like having Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho Urgan Klopp & Antonio Conte giving you advice on how to manage your football team but instead you listened to Kevin Keegan and Paul Jewell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) its hard to ignore 95% of the economic intellectual elite It isn't hard at all. I found it very easy. I could post that 96% thought we should leave, but it would just be as absurd as your figure - plucked straight out of thin air. It's that sort of drivel that makes people distrust the "Remain" campaign. Resorting to subjective phrases such as economic intellectual elite is typical of them. Not one word of proof. PS - before you start prattling on about your "facts", could you supply the names of all the "economic intellectual elite" so that we can be sure no-one has been missed off. Edited June 20, 2016 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) It isn't hard at all. I found it very easy. I could post that 96% thought we should leave, but it would just be as absurd as your figure - plucked straight out of thin air. It's that sort of drivel that makes people distrust the "Remain" campaign. Resorting to subjective phrases such as economic intellectual elite is typical of them. Not one word of proof. PS - before you start prattling on about your "facts", could you supply the names of all the "economic intellectual elite" so that we can be sure no-one has been missed off. I am in faviour of leaving the EU I am just pointing out a fact all of the economic intellectual community around the world and his mother advise the UK to stay in that's the way it is, anyway my football manager analogy stands up whats your view on that Edited June 20, 2016 by chrisjh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is that the same economic intellectual elite that told us to join the Euro??? Oh snap.... Best we listen to them then because greece are rolling in it, same as france and italy... Oh wait...... That currency has ruined quite a few countries, what number bail out are Greece on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I am in faviour of leaving the EU I am just pointing out a fact all of the economic intellectual community around the world and his mother advise the UK to stay in that's the way it is, anyway my football manager analogy stands up whats your view on that Very hard to take you seriously when your figure of 95% suddenly jumped up to 100%. My view on your football analogy is similar to your views in general - clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Good for Mr. Farage for having the courage of his convictions and producing a poster that tells the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan7626 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 For the bremain trolls on here you must understand that the folk depicted on that poster are NOT our problem. They may be of concern, they may make you pity them, but they are not our problem. You may want to do something to support them, and I congratulate you on your humanity, so feel free to go over and bring a family back. Just make sure YOU house them, support them, feed them, educate them and pay for any medical needs. Don't ask me for any help, and certainly don't offer any money, healthcare or education on my behalf because you're then stealing from me and my family. STOP GIVING MY FAMILIES FUTURE AWAY, it's not yours to give We really need a 'like' button on this forum. Couldn't agree with this more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Very hard to take you seriously when your figure of 95% suddenly jumped up to 100%. My view on your football analogy is similar to your views in general - clueless. when did it change from 95 / 100 ? soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you would rather Paul Jewell or Kevin Keegan manage your chosen football team than any of the others I mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) there are just as many buisiness people saying leave as there are for stayin,,after all the boss of witherspoons gave the leave camp £200,000 for the campaign havent heard of anyone giving similar ammount for stayin.but ive already voted out anyway. Edited June 20, 2016 by hawkfanz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Can you prove a Brexit will do that? Most economic models found Brexit would make little difference to UK economy, according to Cass Business School The Treasury 'grossly exaggerated' the economic and financial impact of Brexit, says academic review - and Cameron and Osborne are 'treating us like children' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639488/The-Treasury-grossly-exaggerated-economic-financial-impact-Brexit-says-academic-review-Cameron-Osborne-treating-like-children.html If however your statement is true then the right we have is a democratic one that the PM gave us. Ask yourself this, if it`s such a bad idea then why give us the option at all? Oh that`s right, because the very same PM said we`d be fine outside of the EU just a few months ago. I'm afraid this article is somewhat less credible than the options I posted earlier. The report from one professor (of pension economics) is only an attack on one approach from the treasury. The links I posted were derived from a range of economists with somewhat more relevant specialisms Why don`t you ask the EU the same question? Seeing as youth unemployment in Greece, Spain, Croatia and Italy is over 40% and at least a couple of those aforementioned countries have economies on the verge of collapse. All of these countries have monetary policy that is either determined by the eurozone or tied to it. Neither of which I think are good ideas. For all of Gordon Brown's faults, keeping us outside of this was his best decision. This isn't, however, and argument against Britain's membership of the EU. In fact, over the last few years, monetary policy has been used effectively by the Bank of England to prevent our economy being hit in the same way, This is not contrary to EU membership. I posted, not one, but two replies to one of your earlier posts and you`ve yet to comment on either. Who`s not engaging? Not me, but an awful lot of people on this thread. Edited June 20, 2016 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) when did it change from 95 / 100 ? I am unclear as to whether you don't read what you post or you aren't very bright. its hard to ignore 95% of the economic intellectual elite I am just pointing out a fact all of the economic intellectual community around the world and his mother The key points are "95%" and "all". Your attempt to bring football into the issue is puerile. PS "faviour doesn't have an "i". Edited June 20, 2016 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I am unclear as to whether you don't read what you post or you aren't very bright. The key points are "95%" and "all". Your attempt to bring football into the issue is puerile. PS "faviour doesn't have an "i". your so easy gorden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 chrisjh - that should be "You're so easy, Gordon". Happy to educate you. You clearly need some help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm afraid this article is somewhat less credible than the options I posted earlier. The report from one professor (of pension economics) is only an attack on one approach from the treasury. The links I posted were derived from a range of economists with somewhat more relevant specialisms All of these countries have monetary policy that is either determined by the eurozone or tied to it. Neither of which I think are good ideas. For all of Gordon Brown's faults, keeping us outside of this was his best decision. This isn't, however, and argument against Britain's membership of the EU. In fact, over the last few years, monetary policy has been used effectively by the Bank of England to prevent our economy being hit in the same way, This is not contrary to EU membership. Not me, but an awful lot of people on this thread. So a report from one of the most respected business schools in the world, and one that happens to receive no EU funding and is therefore impartial, is less credible than a group rounded up by the government to quote on their behalf? And you don`t think we`ll eventually be drawn into paying for more bailouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 OUT for me and my family and i am most definitely not a little englander, support the SNP in a lot but certainly not on this agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) there are just as many buisiness people saying leave as there are for stayin,,after all the boss of witherspoons gave the leave camp £200,000 for the campaign havent heard of anyone giving similar ammount for stayin.but ive already voted out anyway. Mostly small business wants in particularly those that don't export. Weatherspoons of course will all want to drown our sorrows over the next few years if we vote out. I also see that 'leave EU' has been fined £50k for spam texts Alan Sugar is funding remain describing leaving a 'massive mistake'. Also Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Airbus Lord Sainsbury £2.7m for remain Edited June 21, 2016 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Mostly small business wants in particularly those that don't export. Weatherspoons of course as we will all want to drown our sorrows over the next few years if we vote out. I also see that leave EU has been fined £50k for spam texts Alan Sugar is funding remain describing leaving a 'massive mistake'. Also Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Airbus Lord Sainsbury £2.7m for remain What you fail to realise is that what's good for Alan sugar and the like is very often not so good for the average working Joe, for example Mr sugar would love nothing more than wages to stagnate and a mass of cheap labour from abroad, he doesn't care the NHS is swamped he'll have private health care etc that is the opposite of, to quote cetain peoples exact figures 95% of the population and their mothers Edited June 21, 2016 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Mostly small business wants in particularly those that don't export. Weatherspoons of course as we will all want to drown our sorrows over the next few years if we vote out. I also see that leave EU has been fined £50k for spam texts Alan Sugar is funding remain describing leaving a 'massive mistake'. Also Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Airbus Lord Sainsbury £2.7m for remain Weatherspoons, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Airbus, Sainsbury. Who would classify any of those as a "small business"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 chrisjh - that should be "You're so easy, Gordon". Happy to educate you. You clearly need some help. like shoting fish in a barrel anyway your mate Nigel has sank the leave campaign and now because of his racist leaning we have to stay in Europe whats your thoughts on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Not really into politics but Nigel tells the truth about how it is no bull:-):-):-):-) our Dave on the other hand tells more lies than a cheap watch I for one know who I will listen to and it isn't Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 This thread has generated a great deal of vitriol, the likes of which are only normally seen on threads about the Royal family. Why not just state whether you intend to vote in or out and give reasons and leave it at that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 This thread has generated a great deal of vitriol, the likes of which are only normally seen on threads about the Royal family. Why not just state whether you intend to vote in or out and give reasons and leave it at that? I have to say you are right, this whole subject has seriously raised passions, I have seen various OUT and in posters defaced by the opposite camp as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) like shoting fish in a barrel anyway your mate Nigel has sank the leave campaign and now because of his racist leaning we have to stay in Europe whats your thoughts on that "Shoting: English slang for somone that's dealing" (source:Urban Dictionary). I know some fish dealers but not any fish dealers As for your Farage comment: That's a complete non-argument. The weakest non-argument I've heard to date for remaining in the EU. It's a bit like saying because the Queen likes corgis we all have to use them as gundogs Who cares what Farage thinks? It's what the voter thinks that matters and just to remind you, Farage wont be running the county or even in government if we leave the EU and nor does he represent OUT voters. He represents himself and UKIP. Edited June 21, 2016 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Im out, far to many politicians involved in Europe, I am concerned that the immigration issue has been over- played and think the financial aspects should have had more emphasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 This thread has generated a great deal of vitriol, the likes of which are only normally seen on threads about the Royal family. Why not just state whether you intend to vote in or out and give reasons and leave it at that? Hear hear. I have been disappointed that the normal PW mode of healthy debate with a bit of Micky taking thrown in has been lost in leu of vitriol. For what it's worth I was 'out' but I have now voted 'in'. My choice and I am not going to get drawn into an argument over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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