HH1 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Bloody hell that a bit much surely that don't make person unfit to hold a certificate Apparently it does..... if you can't behave as a motorist, are you going to behave with a gun? That is what the police will consider. When I first applied for my FAC & SGC I put down that I had been caught speeding as a teenager..... the FLO mentioned this old conviction and said to me "If I hear that you are ever caught speeding again, I'll be round here asking what the hell you think your playing at"...... In 30 odd years of riding/driving those 3 points all all that I have ever had.... but it was enough for him to warn me about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Apparently it does..... if you can't behave as a motorist, are you going to behave with a gun? That is what the police will consider. When I first applied for my FAC & SGC I put down that I had been caught speeding as a teenager..... the FLO mentioned this old conviction and said to me "If I hear that you are ever caught speeding again, I'll be round here asking what the hell you think your playing at"...... In 30 odd years of riding/driving those 3 points all all that I have ever had.... but it was enough for him to warn me about! Quite extraordinary that a speeding conviction does not preclude a policeman from keeping his job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Quite extraordinary that a speeding conviction does not preclude a policeman from keeping his job! Not at all. Just like having a speeding conviction does not automatically mean you will lose your SGC / FAC. However, police convicted of offences do go through quite serious reprimands, etc. and the convictions will have an effect on their future promotion prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I myself had to put on my renewall i had a speeding fine but they renewed my FAC and SGC no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 My brother inlaw was denied his SGC on the grounds of not answering on a question on a driving matter he had forgot about he got caught speeding at 40 mph it was coming to an end after the 3 yrs thats why he forgot about it he never replied for anouther So why didn't they send the form back for him to fill that question in and how did they know about it in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Am I right that the newer forms are asking for even expired small motoring offences to be put down But on the older forms I'm sure it said any motering offences in the last 3 years needs to be put down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Am I right that the newer forms are asking for even expired small motoring offences to be put down But on the older forms I'm sure it said any motering offences in the last 3 years needs to be put down It has always been the case that there is no such thing as an 'expired' conviction of any sort for SGC/FAC applications. Even if 40 or 50 years ago, they've always had to be declared. A link to the form on NWP's website. The notes are also on that form http://www.north-wales.police.uk/media/570888/Form-201.pdf Note 13 is the one regarding convictions : You must not withhold information about any conviction. This includes motoring offences(including speeding offences), binding overs, formal written warnings, cautions and convictions in and outside Great Britain, and (by virtue of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975) convictions which are spent under the 1974 Act. A conditional discharge and an absolute discharge both count as convictions for this purpose. Details of parking offences and fixed penalty notices do not need to be declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 It has always been the case that there is no such thing as an 'expired' conviction of any sort for SGC/FAC applications. Even if 40 or 50 years ago, they've always had to be declared. A link to the form on NWP's website. The notes are also on that form http://www.north-wales.police.uk/media/570888/Form-201.pdf Note 13 is the one regarding convictions : You must not withhold information about any conviction. This includes motoring offences(including speeding offences), binding overs, formal written warnings, cautions and convictions in and outside Great Britain, and (by virtue of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975) convictions which are spent under the 1974 Act. A conditional discharge and an absolute discharge both count as convictions for this purpose. Details of parking offences and fixed penalty notices do not need to be declared. i've just looked at the link in your post and it states "including speeding but not including parking offences or fixed penalty notices", when i was caught speeding i was given a fixed penalty notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I have had 3-4 speeding and 1 not wearing a seatbelt over the years never been mentioned.I know 2 people been in prison for violence both got shotgun certs and 1 with open FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 i lot seems to be what police forces your with, avon and somerset are very good, renewal ticket has all ways come on time.they never miss a beat, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaulydog Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hi their thanks to everyone who read my post on shotgun ticket Revoked reapply after 2 years. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 I just put on my renewal none since those disclosed on last renewal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 why start a new thread you should have just replied on original thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaulydog Posted February 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Hi guys back again.a bit late thow.yes it was none declaration of medical information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkent Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) When I completed my application there were a couple of spent speeding offences I couldn't remember the codes or date for from years ago. I just put I'm not sure when they were so I wasn't attempting to hide anything. When the feo came round he just asked about the last one I had in 2011 and said you need to not get anymore motoring convictions now. Sold my Leon Cupra R and brought a Range Rover 2.5 diesel for shooting and for cruising around in instead of having quite a bit of power and being tempted to put your foot down. Edited February 5, 2017 by Benkent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 It is very variable, in my capacity as a club secretary for many years I dealt with several situations. One man did something mega and got away with it, just got a warning, not even a caution and kept his FAC. Another man lost his FAC over a dispute with a neighbour that wasn't of his making. Its totally random Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I got a fine for not wearing a seatbelt probably 15 years ago, I didn't realise you had to put that down ! It's never been mentioned and I've had my licence 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I though ALL offences had to be listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Who do these FEOs think they are? "You need to not get any more motoring convictions now." Bit too big for their boots. "All units. Mr so-and-so has just been fined for doing 35 in a 30 limit. Go and take his guns." Edited February 6, 2017 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkent Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Yeah I did think that's a bit strang what with so many cameras about these days but I'll still do my best to avoid getting any points now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 People don't lose their licenses / get a refusal for run of the mill speeding - I suspect that when people get a knock back they don't want to tell their mates about they head for safe ground of 'speeding' rather than that caution for Class A or Affray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I think the FEO's are talking about a person with multiple speeding convictions as not being responsible to act within the terms of the highway code and are prepared to put their driving licence at risk.So could someone who continues to flout the law be someone that could be trusted not to push the boundaries set out on in the Home Office guidance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Once again, not answering original question but for all the other posts, it used to be the case that you only had to list preaches of the law since your last license ( and you should have listed any when you had your first license) That was change a few years ago and now you have to repeat everything once again with each renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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