roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 would like some advice on the knife law and keeping the right side of it. So am i ok to keep this knife in my shooting truck that i use to go my normal work pick the kids up and also between other activities run a shoot which takes most my time up, i am forever removing stuff like this from the truck as not to fall foul of the law, problem is when i need it i usually leave it at home.. knife in question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Looks like it locks so no in a word, you would get a mighty spanking! Can have a locker with good reason but just in case you forget to take it with you one day is not good reason to leave it in the car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 The high lights are max blade length 3" no fixed blades or locking blades in public unless you have good reason. In you car counts as carrying in public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Remove it from the truck if your going about your shooting business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 so stick to what i'm doing and only have it with me when doing shooting and work at the farm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Take it out the truck when your not shooting.Copper one waved me down to pull a car out of a flood.He clocked my knives as he came round the back to get my tow strap out.Gave me a bit of advise in a nice way and said remove from your truck if your not travelling too and from the farm. Edited July 5, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 It's a mad world. in the boot of my car is an Estwing black eagle axe, various trimming knives and bladed tools plus hammers, saws and chisels. The one time I was stopped I explained I do building work including call outs. No problem at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) A vehicle in a place accessible to the public, is considered a public place in itself. So in basic terms, if you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot carry it in the vehicle. It's a mad world. in the boot of my car is an Estwing black eagle axe, various trimming knives and bladed tools plus hammers, saws and chisels. The one time I was stopped I explained I do building work including call outs. No problem at all Entirely dependent on the Police Officers discretion. Unfortunately the Police no longer wish to employ sensible adults with life experience so you are left with a younger less informed Police Force with no idea of how to use discretion. We are a nation so scared of violence that we ban anything that may at some time in the future be used in anger. Funnily enough we have more violent crime than most other western countries. Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Take it out the truck when your not shooting.Copper one waved me down to pull a car out of a flood.He clocked my knives as he came round the back to get my tow strap out.Gave me a bit of advise in a nice way and said remove from your truck if your not travelling too and from the farm. yep thats what i do at the minute, thanks for the help as last thing i want is to upset the law jamie A vehicle in a place accessible to the public, is considered a public place in itself. So in basic terms, if you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot carry it in the vehicle. Entirely dependent on the Police Officers discretion. Unfortunately the Police no longer wish to employ sensible adults with life experience so you are left with a younger less informed Police Force with no idea of how to use discretion. We are a nation so scared of violence that we ban anything that may at some time in the future be used in anger. Funnily enough we have more violent crime than most other western countries. only when going to the farm though its fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 But u can cary as non locking variety in ur car with a blade under 3" all the time, so i'd leave 1 of them in just incase u need it and forgot to put ur locking 1 in. But just remember there not as safe to work with. The other way is just leave it in and always either be going to or from the shoot/farm if asked, as long as out of way in boot i doubt they'll realy be bothered, unless there really needing a collar. Must admit its very rare i don't have an opinel in my pocket, but almnost live in 'working' type trousers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) yep thats what i do at the minute, thanks for the help as last thing i want is to upset the law jamie only when going to the farm though its fine If you are carrying shooting equipment or doing maintenance on the shoot then that MAY be considered 'Reasonable excuse' and fall within the exemption. But being stopped outside the school will be a stretch. If its in a tool kit in the boot that would go some way to convincing a Police Officer you have no illegal intent. Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I guess the other option you've got is to change your knife to one that can't lock and is 3" or less. I've never really got on with non-lockers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) If you are carrying shooting equipment or doing maintenance on the shoot then that MAY be considered 'Reasonable excuse' and fall within the exemption. But being stopped outside the school will be a stretch. If its in a tool kit in the boot that would go some way to convincing a Police Officer you have no illegal intent. i could always blag it i'm sure as my truck is full of chicken wire, sheep electric fence wiring and normally a bag of feed, whos to say that i was dropping the kids off and heading straight to the farm. But to be honest i would rather stay on the good easy none hassle side of the law. Edited July 5, 2016 by roadkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) i could always blag it i'm sure as my truck is full of chicken wire, sheep electric fence wiring and normally a bag of feed, whos to say that i was dropping the kids off and heading straight to the farm. But to be honest i would rather staff on the good easy none hassle side of the law. Absolutely, what I will say in addition to what I have already said is, never ever accept a police caution without legal advice. A caution is an admission of guilt and unfortunately it is often used when officers know that the CPS would not authorise a charge. Quite often it is used unethically and in order to keep up detection rates. If stopped give the officer a reason to trust what you are saying backed up by fact, so a truck full of farm kit that includes a knife in a farmland area would go a long way to establishing 'reasonable excuse' in my opinion. They want a reason not to take you in, trust me police officers avoid all the work they can. Best advice is as you said carry a sub 3 inch non locking blade. Edited July 5, 2016 by Delboysparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I just do not get this world today when I was young back in the 50/60s all of the boys had a penknife and the boy scouts had 4" knifes on there belts and loads of kids had airguns I do not understand what changed did children suddenly turn in to mad killers that cannot be trusted I think I am just getting to old for this modern world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I have three assorted knives in the glove box of my truck . They are there permanently to be used as and when I am out shooting . I also have two knives in my fishing tackle box ,they live in the box . I also have a buck knife Bowie bladed knife in my decoy bag for chopping hides into hedge rows . And do you know what I have also been known to carry shotguns and rifles in the truck . What a load of old tosh some of these petty laws are . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 It's a mad world. in the boot of my car is an Estwing black eagle axe, various trimming knives and bladed tools plus hammers, saws and chisels. The one time I was stopped I explained I do building work including call outs. No problem at all A friend of mine was stopped some years ago and the police noticed a balisong knife in his van. Initially the police were suggesting prosecuting him for having it until he pointed out (that like you) he had an axe, hatchet and hammers various other implements of destruction in the back of the van. The police decided not to press the issue. I must admit it does amuse me that I can legally drive around with a boot full of shotguns and yet potentially be charged because I`m carrying a 3" bladed lock knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 A friend of mine was stopped some years ago and the police noticed a balisong knife in his van. Initially the police were suggesting prosecuting him for having it until he pointed out (that like you) he had an axe, hatchet and hammers various other implements of destruction in the back of the van. The police decided not to press the issue. I must admit it does amuse me that I can legally drive around with a boot full of shotguns and yet potentially be charged because I`m carrying a 3" bladed lock knife. Well a Ballisong is a prohibited item and listed speciffically so I am surprised he walked away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Well a Ballisong is a prohibited item and listed speciffically so I am surprised he walked away from it. It was some years ago, before they were on the prohibited list I would presume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 A friend of mine was stopped some years ago and the police noticed a balisong knife in his van. Initially the police were suggesting prosecuting him for having it until he pointed out (that like you) he had an axe, hatchet and hammers various other implements of destruction in the back of the van. The police decided not to press the issue. I must admit it does amuse me that I can legally drive around with a boot full of shotguns and yet potentially be charged because I`m carrying a 3" bladed lock knife. The law is nonesense But Stricly speaking u can't thou, well not all the time. Really u could carry ur guns the same times as u carry a knife as u have good reason. But i do think the polis would say something just going shopping with a boot full of guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 All of these laws relating to knives don't seem to make a lot of difference to knife crime do they? What happened to Cameroons "getting tough on knife crime" I suppose its like other aspects of our pass times (tickets, certificates, rod licence etc.) Only there to keep honest people in check, the daft lads don't give a stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 The 'get tough' talk only occurs when there is a major incident. We just have to be sensible and not draw attention to ourselves - the headlines would of course be "...gun owner arrested for carrying illegal knives". I've always had a pocket knife with me even when I was doing the day job in a suit. I've lost a couple at airports when all this silliness began. Now I only carry a small non-locking knife other than when I'm out shooting. I do have a larger locking knife hidden in my 4x4 just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) In reality it comes down to the copper on the day and how he interprets the situation. Its as vague as that and you can't get a definition that's watertight. You can say 'probably' or 'most likely'. You can even say 'highly unlikely' but you can never really be totally sure these days. When I was a kid every boy scout walked round with a sheath knife on his belt. Wore it to school, or for church parade, went on the bus etc. Edited July 6, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 In reality it comes down to the copper on the day and how he interprets the situation. Its as vague as that and you can't get a definition that's watertight. You can say 'probably' or 'most likely'. You can even say 'highly unlikely' but you can never really be totally sure these days. When I was a kid every boy scout walked round with a sheath knife on his belt. Wore it to school, or for church parade, went on the bus etc. It was normal. Didn't take mine to school much though...... mine was an 8inch Bowie! .....and I still have it in a drawer at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 how does the law view "a leatherman"..multi-tool...or dangerous killing machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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