ditchman Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know what form this will take, for those of us that have cherished 4x4 desiel....toyotas....nissan's ....landies...range rovers....etc Edited May 5, 2017 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 £3:50 each...................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 £3:50 each...................................... voluntry or obligitory.................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 They're still fleshing out the details, it's not been completely finalised yet. It's also likely to be targeted at the most polluting cars - but might be tied in to the type of car you get as replacement, which will of course be the tricky one for the 4x4 market. Those who genuinely need a 4x4 for their lifestyle might struggle to get the most out of the system, because you can't buy an eco city-box to haul around the countryside picking up dead stuff. The last I heard was it was going to be up to £2k to scrap your car - with strings attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Starts off voluntary and then becomes obligatory if you fail to comply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 It has to be done fairly and in my view the only way is to only scrap a car when or if you HAVE to go and buy another. I mean there are somany who have this constant urge to have the next model. Just look at the dozens of very good low mileage cars for sale on forecourts. It does not cause me a problem because all three of ours are petrol or lpg and the youngest is 2008 oldest 1989. I have always let some other idiot lose the big chunk of cash and purchased good low mileage second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Does anyone know what form this will take, for those of us that have cherished 4x4 desiel....toyotas....nissan's ....landies...range rovers....etc Start with old series Land Rovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Start with old series Land Rovers Gives La Bala an excuse not to buy that new diff now.............. .......i will be alright as mine is post seris...and i need it for pest control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Its just been on the news folk at garages are still buying diesels and there asking them if there worried but no statements been issued yet its all speculation and being left to the local councils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 voluntry or obligitory.................................. Voluntary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Citroen on the bland wagon already offering 2k scrapage but who wants a citroen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 It only works if you can afford to buy a new car, I can't but have a 56 plate Seat (VW) diesel, I bet they won't give me £2k against a £2k second hand petrol car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Mines a 57 plate Vauxhall so i might get Tightchoke,s £3.50 if im lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I thought I heard on the radio it would only apply to the most polluted of our cities, like London? Are they going introduce a scrapage scheme for all those trains which pull into and out of London who knows how many times a day, which run on what......fairy farts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 On the news today - up to £8k against electric or hybrids. Also commented the intention was to take 10m diesels out of use! Wow that will cost us a packet. Anyone got shares in a manufacturer of electric/hybrid vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I thought I heard on the radio it would only apply to the most polluted of our cities, like London? Are they going introduce a scrapage scheme for all those trains which pull into and out of London who knows how many times a day, which run on what......fairy farts? Electricity! We gave up steam in the 60's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Gives La Bala an excuse not to buy that new diff now.............. .......i will be alright as mine is post seris...and i need it for pest control You nasty men, . I will have you know i am in the process of registering the old gal as historic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arm3000gt Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I can't see why anyone in a purely financial sense would take advantage of a scrapage scheme. The last time it was done my mind was boggled and it still is. Me for example: 2002 diesel Skoda Octavia actual value £400, avg mpg 52 (actual) 2017 petrol Skoda Octavia 1.0, value cheapest i found £17,195, avg mpg claimed 58(we all know real world figures don't match up) So to scrap my car even if they gave me £10,000 for mine would actually cost me a minimum of £7,195. So I'll be keeping my death dealing car and using the money I save by not scrapping it to repair it and buy fuel. So I can only imagine the people who would take advantage of this would be people on the whole who could already afford it, while at the same time reducing the numbers of fuel efficient cars on the road for those who can least afford it. I understand that diesel is the new most evil thing in the world but shipping hundreds of new cars around the globe on boats and trains is hardly environmentally friendly. That's not to mention extracting and refining the new raw materials to make the new cars in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 You nasty men, . I will have you know i am in the process of registering the old gal as historic. to do that it has to be complete.....you cant run around with stuff missing ...like you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I can't see why anyone in a purely financial sense would take advantage of a scrapage scheme. The last time it was done my mind was boggled and it still is. Me for example: 2002 diesel Skoda Octavia actual value £400, avg mpg 52 (actual) 2017 petrol Skoda Octavia 1.0, value cheapest i found £17,195, avg mpg claimed 58(we all know real world figures don't match up) So to scrap my car even if they gave me £10,000 for mine would actually cost me a minimum of £7,195. So I'll be keeping my death dealing car and using the money I save by not scrapping it to repair it and buy fuel. So I can only imagine the people who would take advantage of this would be people on the whole who could already afford it, while at the same time reducing the numbers of fuel efficient cars on the road for those who can least afford it. I understand that diesel is the new most evil thing in the world but shipping hundreds of new cars around the globe on boats and trains is hardly environmentally friendly. That's not to mention extracting and refining the new raw materials to make the new cars in the first place. someone ran my vehicle dets' thro a "enviroment programm " on der computa....and as it was that age ...it ended up more enviromentally frendly than a plastic electric car....as so much of the vehicle had been recycled to make it....it wasnt replaced every 4 years...and didnt distroy africa in finding the cadium for the batteries.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I can see them tightening up the MOT emissions to get old stuff off the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 There was some mention of them giving people the option to have a new petrol engine retro fitted if the car is in good condition and rust free it seems daft to me to crush a perfectly good car/truck. I would go with that pay a bit extra to have LPG fitted and it would be as cheap if not cheaper than the diesel but put out much less bad stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 It'll be the same as last time, scrap your old banger and get a few grand off, lower pollution, look good for whoever is checking our pollution levels etc.etc.in ten years time most of.the diesels that are on the road now wont be worth more than a few grand anyway. Im gonna guess the government will hike up the fuel tax on derv to speed up things a little, then the haulage firms will all have a meltdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 There was some mention of them giving people the option to have a new petrol engine retro fitted if the car is in good condition and rust free it seems daft to me to crush a perfectly good car/truck. I would go with that pay a bit extra to have LPG fitted and it would be as cheap if not cheaper than the diesel but put out much less bad stuff. Many years ago I worked on fork lift trucks fitted with Ford diesel engines converted to run on LPG. Surely a more economical solution than fitting a new engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arm3000gt Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 There was some mention of them giving people the option to have a new petrol engine retro fitted if the car is in good condition and rust free it seems daft to me to crush a perfectly good car/truck. I would go with that pay a bit extra to have LPG fitted and it would be as cheap if not cheaper than the diesel but put out much less bad stuff. That would be a nice idea but it would never work. It would cost enormous amounts to retro fit a brand new warranted engine into a clapped out (but usable) car. New engine complete with all ancillaries, new ecu or at least new program, link the new engine to g'box that was probably never designed to be mated with a petrol, new fuel tank and lines to prevent future warranty claims, new cooling system etc etc. All done by approved garage at £80 p/h. Far cheaper to just get people to scrap their cars and trick then into getting a car on finance on the proviso of saving the planet etc. When they would be far better off keeping their old diesel family bus not just financially but probably for the planet overall. And as mentioned the cycle will begin again when the government starts to see a drop in tax revenue. All of a sudden petrol turbo engines will be the most evil thing since... well since diesel cars and a new scheme will begin to scrap your petrol car and by a battery car. And on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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