eBay & paypal

[viking]

******* set of robbing ********. Just sold something on eBay for £450. As ther reserve was £400 that cost £10 I think. Final fee value was £45 and PayPal had £15. £70 in all. That's a joke really. Far to expensive. They even take 10% of the money you get for postage. Won't be selling anything on there again.

[Lloyd90]

How much do normal auction houses charge?

Genuinely wondering

[rimfire4969]

10% to 15% down this way.

[Davyo]

Never sell anything on eBay now,buy plenty stuff but never sell.

[Mice!]

Seems steep that, never really bought anything expensive same with selling, and the wife sorts all that out so probably only sells when there is a deal weekend on knowing her.

[clakk]

Gumtree is your friend no fees ,or even Shpock but a few chancer,s on there

[loriusgarrulus]

I sell on Preloved. £5 a year membership to sell as much as you want.

[leeds chimp]

Gumtree for me now

Hardly ever use eBay to sell due to the fees

Only time I do is when they have a Max fee promotion

[Hamster]

This is a perfect example of lazy capitalism yes I hate it so cry me a river. Excellent idea and business I agree and the owners must be rewarded for their daring and acumen............BUT how on earth can you justify the kind of charges they now apply throughout their empire to both retail and private sellers for essentially doing nothing, I mean ebay hasn't even changed in format in all the years I have known about it, not particularly easy to navigate and frequently unable to filter correct parameters when searching for goods, yet they charge such high fees.

 

Autotrader is the other capitalist vulture sorry I meant monopoly just ask your friendly dealer how much they pay per month to advertise their cars (regardless of whether they sell or not so they have to pay again and again) and remember all those charges have to be passed on and again they essentially do nothing, they host a website where all the loading and maintenance of the goods on offer are done by people who pay you (how good is that). I'm not saying they shouldn't get paid just that the charges don't reflect the toil involved (capitalism is like that). We recently had communication from them saying they now intend to try and "handle" the finance bit for customers before they have even called us to enquire about the car ! They have been told to do one by formal letter.

 

Capitalism is the scourge of our world where the rich get richer doing nothing. Enjoy your day.

Edited June 6, 2017 by Hamster

[Bazooka Joe]

Gumtree is your friend no fees ,or even Shpock but a few chancer,s on there

 

EBay own gum tree now..iirc

[AVB]

This is a perfect example of lazy capitalism yes I hate it so cry me a river. Excellent idea and business I agree and the owners must be rewarded for their daring and acumen............BUT how on earth can you justify the kind of charges they now apply throughout their empire to both retail and private sellers for essentially doing nothing, I mean ebay hasn't even changed in format in all the years I have known about it, not particularly easy to navigate and frequently unable to filter correct parameters when searching for goods, yet they charge such high fees.

 

Autotrader is the other capitalist vulture sorry I meant monopoly just ask your friendly dealer how much they pay per month to advertise their cars (regardless of whether they sell or not so they have to pay again and again) and remember all those charges have to be passed on and again they essentially do nothing, they host a website where all the loading and maintenance of the goods on offer are done by people who pay you (how good is that). I'm not saying they shouldn't get paid just that the charges don't reflect the toil involved (capitalism is like that). We recently had communication from them saying they now intend to try and "handle" the finance bit for customers before they have even called us to enquire about the car ! They have been told to do one by formal letter.

 

Capitalism is the scourge of our world where the rich get richer doing nothing. Enjoy your day.

 

Lots of opportunity for you to develop an alternative offering at a cheeper price then. Oh no sorry you would need to get off of your lazy socialist **** to do that!

[Hamster]

 

Lots of opportunity for you to develop an alternative offering at a cheeper price then. Oh no sorry you would need to get off of your lazy socialist **** to do that!

 

Not quite so simple you see, Capitalism has that figured out as they make it near impossible for such monopolies to be overhauled and competed against. The likes of ebay and Autotrader make million if not billions and people with serious amounts of capital and business brains would have tried if it were possible. Once you get to a certain level you are protected and even allowed to not pay tax you can even buy your way out of jail if you know the right people and pay the dues.

[inthedark]

I love this site

[Newbie to this]

Not quite so simple you see, Capitalism has that figured out as they make it near impossible for such monopolies to be overhauled and competed against. The likes of ebay and Autotrader make million if not billions and people with serious amounts of capital and business brains would have tried if it were possible. Once you get to a certain level you are protected and even allowed to not pay tax you can even buy your way out of jail if you know the right people and pay the dues.

 

How are you typing in a Straitjacket

[Hamster]

How are you typing in a Straitjacket

 

?? Don't understand ! Remember Bernie paying off the German taxmen to avoid jail ? Why don't rich investors copy Autotrader or ebay ? Can't be that hard if you have enough money, the rewards are immense.

 

Surely you are aware of the likes of Amazon and Starbucks paying near enough no tax ?

Edited June 6, 2017 by Hamster

[BrowningB525]

Facebook marketplace or local facebook selling groups is a (currently) free way to sell.

[Gordon R]

Surely you are aware of the likes of Amazon and Starbucks paying near enough no tax ?

 

 

The uncomfortable truth, which some chose to ignore.

[Twistedsanity]

A good friend worked as a finance director for bear sterns before the crash, his job was to help people avoid paying tax when they brought and sold shares and he alone would often avoid "clients" paying 8 figure sums weekly to hmrc. as a broker he was exempt from taxation on any shares that passed through his hands which is clearly sensible or he couldn't have done his job. If you wanted to buy or sell £100,000,000 in shares clearly you would have a tax liability to hmrc on the proceeds, bear sterns would buy the shares for you and keep hold of them issuing you with a certificate or "dividend" so you would pay no tax as all you owned was the certificate and not the shares, the broker was tax exempt so paid no tax but would charge you a fee for their services equating to a percentage of what the tax liability would be. When you wanted to sell the shares (the ones you didn't own) you would instruct the broker to facilitate the transaction for you, you would pay no tax on the sale as all you owned was a certificate and the new buyer would once again pay a percentage to bear sterns. Every single day billions of pounds of taxable shares change hands this way and zero is paid, it's all legal and above board so next time you pay your government tax on the money you have worked so very hard to earn and think about "socialists" who want a fairer society for everyone remember the reason your tax is so horrendously high is because the people who make the tax laws aren't paying their share. Even this sites favourite pm Mrs.t completely avoided the death duty of 40% that should have gone into the public purse because her home (iirc it was worth £30,000,000) was put into a tax avoiding trust fund. That's the truth of this capitalist society people seem so in favour of, the rich pay nothing at all, the middle class pay everything and the rich tell the middle class that the reason for high taxation and austerity is all the fault of the poor and less fortunate. Even David Cameron who was busy with his henchman ids attacking the poor and vulnerable in society and worth an estimated £30,000,000 with several houses was claiming incapacity benefits for his son, keep working your fingers to the bone and dutifully paying your inflated tax, when you die they will also take a huge chunk of what you have earned to keep the next generation of your family poor while laughing at you behind your back drinking subsidised wine and food you pay for and renting out their second home that you are also paying for, And remember all along that this is what you personally voted for and allowed to happen because you didn't like the coat the other guy wears and believed all the propaganda.you were spoon fed by companies in who's financial interest it was to keep.things the way they are

[inthedark]

There's a lot to contemplate in the post above. I sort of don't mind paying tax, it's what they spend it on that grips my ****

[Hamster]

A good friend worked as a finance director for bear sterns before the crash, his job was to help people avoid paying tax when they brought and sold shares and he alone would often avoid "clients" paying 8 figure sums weekly to hmrc. as a broker he was exempt from taxation on any shares that passed through his hands which is clearly sensible or he couldn't have done his job. If you wanted to buy or sell £100,000,000 in shares clearly you would have a tax liability to hmrc on the proceeds, bear sterns would buy the shares for you and keep hold of them issuing you with a certificate or "dividend" so you would pay no tax as all you owned was the certificate and not the shares, the broker was tax exempt so paid no tax but would charge you a fee for their services equating to a percentage of what the tax liability would be. When you wanted to sell the shares (the ones you didn't own) you would instruct the broker to facilitate the transaction for you, you would pay no tax on the sale as all you owned was a certificate and the new buyer would once again pay a percentage to bear sterns. Every single day billions of pounds of taxable shares change hands this way and zero is paid, it's all legal and above board so next time you pay your government tax on the money you have worked so very hard to earn and think about "socialists" who want a fairer society for everyone remember the reason your tax is so horrendously high is because the people who make the tax laws aren't paying their share. Even this sites favourite pm Mrs.t completely avoided the death duty of 40% that should have gone into the public purse because her home (iirc it was worth £30,000,000) was put into a tax avoiding trust fund. That's the truth of this capitalist society people seem so in favour of, the rich pay nothing at all, the middle class pay everything and the rich tell the middle class that the reason for high taxation and austerity is all the fault of the poor and less fortunate. Even David Cameron who was busy with his henchman ids attacking the poor and vulnerable in society and worth an estimated £30,000,000 with several houses was claiming incapacity benefits for his son, keep working your fingers to the bone and dutifully paying your inflated tax, when you die they will also take a huge chunk of what you have earned to keep the next generation of your family poor while laughing at you behind your back drinking subsidised wine and food you pay for and renting out their second home that you are also paying for, And remember all along that this is what you personally voted for and allowed to happen because you didn't like the coat the other guy wears and believed all the propaganda.you were spoon fed by companies in who's financial interest it was to keep.things the way they are

 

I have never said socialism is better than capitalism, only that the latter must be regulated otherwise it becomes a tool of oppression and enslavement - which it has. The system is so intricately clever that it manages to get the tax paying middle class to defend the non paying robbers. Your economic enemy is not the "lazy" marginalised low income worker or those on benefit anymore than your social enemy is the brown mozzy on the other side of the world, it's the .001% who are playing both against one another.

[panoma1]

If those in control of this country, such as the politicians tell us we can't have something, because the country hasn't got the money and/or can't afford it!.......... they are lying!.......they have and they can! They control the money!.......they just choose to spend it on other things!

This country is awash with money.............enough to fund the NHS, police, public services, social care, pensions, welfare etc etc, but the government choose to spend the money on other things!

 

Same goes for those in control of business.........

 

Dunno what that's got to do with eBay and PayPal though? Lol!

Edited June 6, 2017 by panoma1

[Newbie to this]

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

I don't think we have any money!!!

[Newbie to this]

 

Surely you are aware of the likes of Amazon and Starbucks paying near enough no tax ?

 

I am aware of this, I'm also aware of the amount of people these companies employ who do pay TAX and spend into the economy. These companies are only operating in the UK because of the TAX benefits, and although it may not be fair, they bring in a lot more than they avoid.

 

They don't need to operate in the UK but our economy needs them to.

[panoma1]

If the UK has no money....how do we rank as the fifth biggest economy (or is it richest country?) in the world?... how do we afford HS2, Trident etc etc, or give billion £ away in foreign aid?

Edited June 6, 2017 by panoma1

[Hamster]

I am aware of this, I'm also aware of the amount of people these companies employ who do pay TAX and spend into the economy. These companies are only operating in the UK because of the TAX benefits, and although it may not be fair, they bring in a lot more than they avoid.

 

They don't need to operate in the UK but our economy needs them to.

 

Simply not true, not saying you are deliberately lying but seemingly successfully brainwashed by the msm (who are owned by the rich) :http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/why-corporations-will-just-run-away-is.html

 

Where are they gonna go ? The big corporations need to be where the spending power is. If all capitalist countries demanded that the uber corporations pay fair tax out of the humongous profits that they make out of the middle class tax paying people there would be no shortage of money to pay towards the nhs or fill the potholes in our roads. The notion that it's OK for them not to pay because their employees pay tax is just ridiculous.