Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Personally dont like my face pushed hard down onto the combe on any of my guns rifle or shotty . I prefere a heads up and light contact so for me the red dot is perfect if it lifts my head a bit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Personally dont like my face pushed hard down onto the combe on any of my guns rifle or shotty . I prefere a heads up and light contact so for me the red dot is perfect if it lifts my head a bit . That very much explains why you are an advocate of the the red dot, if you shoot heads up and face largely off the stock then it makes sense why you would be much less consistent in your shooting when not using the red dot. If it works for you that is all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Yes, you are correct......I should know better. PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Not tried one of these cheap systems but have used other red dots on shotgun and maintain a correctly fitting gun used correctly is much better. I'm open to anyone trying to convince me if they wish to in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 It's interesting that a big part of this discussion was how a red dot sight can help compensate for an ill fitting gun and we have now come round the circle where we advocate fitting a comb raiser in order to accommodate the red dot sight. What that suggests to me is that for those that have found them most helpful is because they have a very inconsistent mount and are lifting their heads, hence unable to build a consistent relationship between gun and target. Looking at the pictures posted on here i cannot imagine how if my face was tight on the stock that I could possibly use the sight, i would be looking at the base of it, as described above. The gun in reference sounds to have a lot of drop on the stock the sight in most cases seems not to be a problem and you get to see a dot if in the centre of the circle or not but looking at the end of the fibre optic is not quite what is required I plonked mine on a nikko skeet gun not exactly a trap gun but its central on that depends on the stock configuration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 18 pages on a red dot sight Fist thing you get told don't look at the bead. See it as a shadow in your peripheral vision when looking at your target. I found the easy hit helped me to shoot both eyes open as no dominant eye, but it only helped by you can only see it when the gun is mounted and fits you properly. How can something you need to alter the fit of your gun to use be of help. Remember using one on a pistol for a short time, it done nothing for me. If this red dot works it will be fitted by manufacturers soon. They don't miss a marketing trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I class myself as a grumpy old get and I am 53 ha ha ,thats two of us then,so start of the population....... ... And who would be a hell of a lot more polite and weasealy if they were to meet the people they insult or snipe at in person. Exactly the same face to face,grumpy hairy old *** in the making and getting good at it Now thinking about a bead of silicone or tape to provide grip when i fit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 This reactionary old **** - Pushing towards 80 - has bought one of the devices in question and is doing user trials over an extended period. Only then will the reactionary old **** voice an opinion... Doing the same thing with some new NV equipment as well. Just like to take my time over things and give them a 'sensible' work out. Only then can you make a proper judgement. Heard all this when over and unders became the new fandangled thingy that just wouldn't ever replace side by sides... Old **** with a brain heaven forbid there might be more than one of us on pigeon watch, like your reasoning Grandalf it's the way too go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 What we have rampant here in pigeonwatch are fully paid up members of the Ned Ludd Appreciation society :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 What we have is opinions expressed without being able to hear tone of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc etc. Spoken, Buses'comments could have come across as a light hearted dig at the way that differences sometimes end up in a bun fight on PW. And he has a point. Written it could come across as a rant about older shooters with fixed immovable points of view. Maybe it was. As a grumpy 56 yr old I had to grin and think "here we go, wasp nest stirred." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 What we have is opinions expressed without being able to hear tone of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc etc. Spoken, Buses'comments could have come across as a light hearted dig at the way that differences sometimes end up in a bun fight on PW. And he has a point. Written it could come across as a rant about older shooters with fixed immovable points of view. Maybe it was. As a grumpy 56 yr old I had to grin and think "here we go, wasp nest stirred." Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Okay I am having trouble with mine as in I can't get the bloody thing to mount on my rib! I have tried using bicycle inner tube as buffering but nothing seems to work. What's the secret? Those grub screws don't go deep enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Superglue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Okay I am having trouble with mine as in I can't get the bloody thing to mount on my rib! I have tried using bicycle inner tube as buffering but nothing seems to work. What's the secret? Those grub screws don't go deep enough. With the wide range of skills possessed by members here, surely someone can identify the thread size. Having done so a quantity of longer ones could be ordered and shared out between the fair few having the same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 My solution requires no shims, packers, bits of rubber, longer grub screws or glue and even saves money .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 With the wide range of skills possessed by members here, surely someone can identify the thread size. Having done so a quantity of longer ones could be ordered and shared out between the fair few having the same problem. I already posted it earlier, mine was M4 I think but you might have to check back to earlier posts. Can be ordered from Amazon, I couldn't find any in the shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 My solution requires no shims, packers, bits of rubber, longer grub screws or glue and even saves money .............. Or even the sight itself! :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 I already posted it earlier, mine was M4 I think but you might have to check back to earlier posts. Can be ordered from Amazon, I couldn't find any in the shops. A couple of bit of ruler cut to size? Okay i will see what i can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Or even the sight itself! :whistling: Maybe 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee. Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Surely gun manufactures must be panicking all over the world the way this thing is taking off, only a matter of time before they are fitted to top end B, K & P guns as standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Probably not, they've seen it all before. They've even got a very old and applicable term for it - 'flash in the pan'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 My solution requires no shims, packers, bits of rubber, longer grub screws or glue and even saves money .............. Bang on the money! Not even a grub screw! Allen key, slot, or posidrive. Does it matter as long at the screw is, eeerr long! enough to grip the rib! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) I just wish some of you would get it sorted and actually get out and use them ,the time its taking for some just to fit them , they could learnt to shoot the things properly 😂 I think this whole thread is **** ing hilarious . I wonder how long before we hear the sound of hopes and dreams crashing to the floor. Edited September 30, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Still no one willing to take up my offer then, people sounded so confident in their new toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee. Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Probably not, they've seen it all before. They've even got a very old and applicable term for it - 'flash in the pan'. Nah mate, they aint seen owt like this 'revelation' whilst they have been striving to perfect the shotgun/gun fit over the last couple of hundred years... they must have missed a trick! I bet the new 2018 models are being drawn up as we speak. K81's, DT12's, MX9's and F4's (Basically, the same as their **** predecessors but with these things fitted). Should sell like hot cakes. The next Olympics is going to boring as hell with the shoot-offs going on for weeks, with no ****** missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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