del.gue Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 It appears that Natural Resources Wales are to ban shooting on all its land as of March next year. Swayed by an anti petition. Drip drip drip.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Article here https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/game-shooting-ban-brought-environment-15179038#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Now is then the time to start accurately documenting ALL wildlife and conditions in the areas effected and continue to do so following the ban--- This is the only way the effect of the ban can be proven to be to the determent of other wildlife as I believe it will be. Even better if this is done in conjunction with NRW then a biased report is more difficult from either side. Unlikely to happen without a lot of pressure, but it is what is needed to put the brakes on the narrow interest fluffy bunny brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 That would be the same NRW that approved the dumping of 300,000 tonnes of waste mud from the Hinkley power station into the sea in Cardiff bay. they certainly appear to be caring about the environment ! https://actions.sumofus.org/a/edf-toxic-waste-dump-cardiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Now is then the time to start accurately documenting ALL wildlife and conditions in the areas effected and continue to do so following the ban--- This is the only way the effect of the ban can be proven to be to the determent of other wildlife as I believe it will be. Even better if this is done in conjunction with NRW then a biased report is more difficult from either side. Unlikely to happen without a lot of pressure, but it is what is needed to put the brakes on the narrow interest fluffy bunny brigade. The effect will be negligible. NRW have their own staff that carry out wildlife management. I would like to see what hectarage of NRW land this effects. Legally they can't stop game shooting in leasehold woodlands where sporting rights have been retained. As I said before. It's just a policy change not to renew shooting leases. It isn't the great victory the LACS suggest... I would imagine this "ban" only applies to less than 5 percent of NRW's total land holding. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if the real reason was more cost based than anything to do with so called ethical concerns, I would love to see their earnings from game shooting leases versus the cost in management and staff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del.gue Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I have just read that NRW lease out 4 areas if woodland in mid wales for a total cost of about £6000 pa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, del.gue said: I have just read that NRW lease out 4 areas if woodland in mid wales for a total cost of about £6000 pa the will be responsible for 10's of thousands of hectares across Wales so. Like I said not exactly a great amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I also found a statement from the Welsh assembly interesting, something along the lines of "firearms licenses for other sports such as clay pigeon shooting will now be carried out on a case by case basis" sound more like hot air than hard fact, but their tone shows what they think of shooting as a sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 The problem with the joke which is the Welsh Assembly is that it is easily swayed by the animal rights people.The worrying thing about this ban is it could drift across the border and Natural England could be talked into the same sort of ban on there land if the Corbyn mob come into government.Labour are no friend to the shooting community never mind what they say especially in Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumbag Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Daft *******! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumbag Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 https://www.change.org/p/natural-resources-wales-uphold-game-shooting-on-nrw-land?signed=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 https://countrysidealliance-news.org/44G9-DD4I-151MITIG1C/cr.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 The politics a spite and envy........................... They never change do they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I have just worked this afternoon with a party of 21 Welsh shooters from Aberdovey / Aberystwyth who had no idea about this going on . Surely the Welsh Assembly need to inform those affected? Obviously not ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'm not Welsh but I responded to the consultation, knew the minister had instucted NRW to ignore the results of the consultation, and I knew about it the day the decision was publicised..........your 21 Welsh shooter must have had their heads up their ***** and their hearing aids turned off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 panoma1, No , I think they are just ordinary folk, who don't frequent forums or buy rubbish shooting magazines . They just get together and go shooting . Seems perfectly reasonable to me . Unless someone who hasn't got a clue about Countryside life brings a stop to it , without any resistance from overpaid , idle , shooting association employees who just sit back and don't lift a finger . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 22 hours ago, greylag said: The problem with the joke which is the Welsh Assembly is that it is easily swayed by the animal rights people.The worrying thing about this ban is it could drift across the border and Natural England could be talked into the same sort of ban on there land if the Corbyn mob come into government.Labour are no friend to the shooting community never mind what they say especially in Wales. Natural England are a regulatory body. They don't directly manage any land in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 They do not need to manage land,but they do grant consents for wildfowling on SSSI,s.If NRW are anything to go by they will bow to the people who pay their wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 fair point. but they can't, without a change in law stop people fowling on private foreshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, ClemFandango said: fair point. but they can't, without a change in law stop people fowling on private foreshore. I think you'll find they can on SSSI's, SPA's and other designated sites? If the private land is within the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: I think you'll find they can on SSSI's, SPA's and other designated sites? If the private land is within the site. Depends on the terms of the designation. If a site was a SSSI for soil type for example then wildfowling would have no impact they couldn't then stop wildfowling as they would have no grounds to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, ClemFandango said: Depends on the terms of the designation. If a site was a SSSI for soil type for example then wildfowling would have no impact they couldn't then stop wildfowling as they would have no grounds to. If NRW/NE quote disturbance of whatever, invoke the precautionary principle, and refuse (or impose ridiculous conditions) a Wildfowling consent.....what do you do next?....Who do you appeal to? How long does it take, and how much does it cost to go through the appeals procedure? Right up to a judicial review, courts, barristers, solicitors, which costs thousands! With no guarantee of winning, if you lose and costs are awarded against you, you pay?...............All this time, no consent, no Wildfowling! I speak from experience!..........That is why I'm pushing for Wildfowling clubs and Wildfowlers to join the AUKWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 have a listen,from 6mins 10secs https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bkpjbr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Ian Danby of BASC spoke very eloquently and made some very valid points , let's see how NRW get on with their land management in the future , I hope they don't make as much of a hash of it as the RSPCA ,RSPB, and Sir Paul McCartney have done ! With their Lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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