propercartridges Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 do you think that a 36 gram fibre pure fibre with card and wad no plastic obturator in copper would be a good seller for the market thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Sounds good to me.. Ive loaded a few to bismuth recipes and they seem OK but only have shot size 6.. you might need a bit of speed and some 2-3s. Edited January 12, 2019 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 I pickup on a major estate that sees many guns using this type of load in 4’s. They insist on fibre cartridges but you still get the plastic obturators everywhere. I think these would be well received by the big estates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 What do you mean by 'in copper'? Do you load pure copper shot, or copper plated lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 A true English 7 (or even a 6.5) 34g in fibre would be nice on pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 You need Dave Carrie to shoot some and sing there praises on his channel. 36g is too heavy for me to shoot at game but the high bird affionados should like them. George why don't you talk to shooting estates and sporting agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Surely Wilson Young will buy some from you for some of his clients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, figgy said: You need Dave Carrie to shoot some and sing there praises on his channel. 36g is too heavy for me to shoot at game but the high bird affionados should like them. George why don't you talk to shooting estates and sporting agents. I also think 36g are on the heavy side for game birds but have seen guns using 36g for partridge 4's and 5's I blow charlies away with this sort of load The heaviest i use is 32g for the high birds 28g being the lightest load i use The heavies i have are for geese. charlies 2 hours ago, grahamch said: What do you mean by 'in copper'? Do you load pure copper shot, or copper plated lead? Copper plated lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Sabel25 32g is my heaviest and 25g the lightest for partridge that I bought for a Damascus gun I had. Usually 28g is the lightest I use. Never felt I needed to go bigger but I don't go on high bird shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, sabel25 said: I also think 36g are on the heavy side for game birds but have seen guns using 36g for partridge 4's and 5's I blow charlies away with this sort of load The heaviest i use is 32g for the high birds 28g being the lightest load i use The heavies i have are for geese. charlies Copper plated lead Oh I thought you meant pure copper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmo Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 I’ve been using your 36 g for ages now . Hell of a cartridge . What shot sizes , the 5s work well for me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno243 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 16 hours ago, propercartridges said: do you think that a 36 gram fibre pure fibre with card and wad no plastic obturator in copper would be a good seller for the market thanks george Whilst I agree that 36g is a little on the heavy side for me for a day game shooting it seems that nowadays (when everyone wants to be a "high-bird shot") such a load is becoming much more fashionable. I tend to move between a 28g and a 32g load (in 6's or 5's) depending on where I am shooting and what gun I am using, whilst late season on a couple of estates I might move to 34g (in 5's or 4's) if I know that particular drives are to be included in the day. I do like the thought of a pure fibre cartridge, in fact there is a part of me that would like to see a return to paper case cartridges to nullify the environmental impact as much as possible. Surely in this day and age, with technology being what it is, there shouldn't be too many drawbacks to a paper case? Whilst I am quite a geek when it comes to rifle ballistics, I have never really got into shotgun ballistics to any sort of degree. Does copper plating actually make much of an impact? (excuse the unintentional pun...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jonno243 said: Whilst I agree that 36g is a little on the heavy side for me for a day game shooting it seems that nowadays (when everyone wants to be a "high-bird shot") such a load is becoming much more fashionable. I tend to move between a 28g and a 32g load (in 6's or 5's) depending on where I am shooting and what gun I am using, whilst late season on a couple of estates I might move to 34g (in 5's or 4's) if I know that particular drives are to be included in the day. I do like the thought of a pure fibre cartridge, in fact there is a part of me that would like to see a return to paper case cartridges to nullify the environmental impact as much as possible. Surely in this day and age, with technology being what it is, there shouldn't be too many drawbacks to a paper case? Whilst I am quite a geek when it comes to rifle ballistics, I have never really got into shotgun ballistics to any sort of degree. Does copper plating actually make much of an impact? (excuse the unintentional pun...) You don’t need paper cases if people pick up their empty carts. What they should have however is a way to send them back to the suppliers so they can be reloaded again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno243 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: You don’t need paper cases if people pick up their empty carts. What they should have however is a way to send them back to the suppliers so they can be reloaded again. Fully agreed, and it is a real bugbear of mine seeing empty cases lying around. Whilst reloading plastic cases (whether privately or by the manufacturer) would go some way towards mitigating environmental impact there will still come a point where their usable service life is done and they become simply additional plastic waste. With plastic being such a hot topic nowadays (and rightly so if you ask me) any move to lessen overall environmental impact should be viewed as a good thing. As a caveat to that, I would stress that disposal should not be the only concern when weighing up impact. The impact of the manufacturing process etc should also be taken into account, something that the minority "holier than thou" hybrid car brigade should bear in mind sometimes (have you ever seen a lithium mine? or the production facilities where these batteries are made for example?) As I mentioned, it is merely somewhat of an idealistic dream to be honest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 16 hours ago, sabel25 said: I also think 36g are on the heavy side for game birds but have seen guns using 36g for partridge 4's and 5's I blow charlies away with this sort of load The heaviest i use is 32g for the high birds 28g being the lightest load i use The heavies i have are for geese. charlies Copper plated lead Cheers had hopd was going to be a new fowling load with copper shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, grahamch said: Cheers had hopd was going to be a new fowling load with copper shot Well yes, 36g fibre wad copper 3's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Jonno243 said: Fully agreed, and it is a real bugbear of mine seeing empty cases lying around. Whilst reloading plastic cases (whether privately or by the manufacturer) would go some way towards mitigating environmental impact there will still come a point where their usable service life is done and they become simply additional plastic waste. With plastic being such a hot topic nowadays (and rightly so if you ask me) any move to lessen overall environmental impact should be viewed as a good thing. As a caveat to that, I would stress that disposal should not be the only concern when weighing up impact. The impact of the manufacturing process etc should also be taken into account, something that the minority "holier than thou" hybrid car brigade should bear in mind sometimes (have you ever seen a lithium mine? or the production facilities where these batteries are made for example?) As I mentioned, it is merely somewhat of an idealistic dream to be honest... Second that We always pick our empties on shoots even on walked up days the empties are in my pocket Although i've been on some shoots and certain stands are littered with empties from previous shoot days even though the keeper requests that all emties be picked up What should be addressed is the plastic cup wads that are littered all over the land and waterways which cannot be picked up vey easily which only adds fuel for the anti's I use fibre wad cartridges all the time and have done for years and with the technology and ballistics available now there should be no reason to use these platic cups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, islandgun said: Well yes, 36g fibre wad copper 3's.. Says copper plated lead above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 I had got my hopes up as well when i saw the mention of copper, but then i found out it was just copper coated lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, aberisle said: I had got my hopes up as well when i saw the mention of copper, but then i found out it was just copper coated lead. So thats three of us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Reloading used shotshell will come with a lot of rethinking on the loads especially after the second time. Each time you fire the hull loses approx 1mm and the crimp loses strength meaning pressure and speed will be affected. This is margnal for the home loader but inappropriate for a commercial loader. There is also no way to know how many time a shell has been loaded adding to the issue. Also, they still need to be deprimed, recalibrated and reprimed which will add to the cost. Even just melting the plastic will come with its own challenges as the compounds are altered by the colouring agents as well as the producer own formula and cannot be mixed, posing more challenges (and costs) to the manufacturers. The only solution, which manufacturers are already working on, is to mix a degrading agent in the compound making plastic more susceptible to natural degradation (light, elements, etc.) ...or going paper case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 You know I've already asked for some next year! 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 12/01/2019 at 20:45, figgy said: You need Dave Carrie to shoot some and sing there praises on his channel. 36g is too heavy for me to shoot at game but the high bird affionados should like them. George why don't you talk to shooting estates and sporting agents. That won’t happen he’s to tied into gamebore, and the copper shot they load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 hours ago, welshwarrior said: That won’t happen he’s to tied into gamebore, and the copper shot they load. He may have already tried them and shared his thoughts in closed circles 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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