WelshAndy Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Not sure if this has been covered... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abomination-of-pheasants-dumped-into-pit-by-digger-whrw935fb doesnt look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Terrible practice, even worse journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 I saw this on Facebook via the shootinguk page. I doesn’t paint the shooting community in a very good light and just gives the antis even more reason to debate our sport. I would hope it’s an isolate case and not something that happens all round the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just got an e mail from BASC, they have made an official complaint to the government etc., we will see if anyhting is done about it. This sort of practise will lose us all our sport. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted January 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Complaint against the estate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Certainly doesn't happen near me.All the shoots near me give them to the guns,beaters and locals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 I might be wrong but I think the pheasants being dumped was actually what was left after they had been breasted out so not really dumped pheasants. Still not good when they could have got a bin from the local knacker company and got rid of the waste that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Didn't read like that from BASC. Any other BASC members get the e mail?? 45 minutes ago, bluesj said: I might be wrong but I think the pheasants being dumped was actually what was left after they had been breasted out so not really dumped pheasants. Still not good when they could have got a bin from the local knacker company and got rid of the waste that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Says clip was from "Cotesbach Game Farm" / shoot and carcasses were breasted out (50% of meat on a pheasant) but don't appear to be de-thighed (25% of meat on a pheasant) It may be they were trying to avoid incinerator costs by dumping breasted carcasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, bluesj said: I might be wrong but I think the pheasants being dumped was actually what was left after they had been breasted out so not really dumped pheasants. Still not good when they could have got a bin from the local knacker company and got rid of the waste that way. If this can be shown and then put in the media great... But wont expect to read this news.. Also why not put them back in the ground, will actually feed all sorts and numerous insects and be good for the land. Typical idiot anti's stirring it up. Ive just come home from a shoot today.. And the keeper gave myself and a mate 100 partridge, in feather. He has to pay to get them gone normally. there were no prepared birds left and we said we'd take some feathered on and he came back with the 50 brace saying we could have them. A great offer and one we didn't think twice about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Is this the same shoot whoposted in 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Just seen this tonight when i got in shootinguk site Done by Hunt saboteurs association Probably breasted out But it is not allowed, to bury any dead carcasses unlawfully whether cow sheep pig etc As i do not condone this practice There are some underlying issues regarding the game dealers and government practices that need addessing Last season the dealers were paying 75p per bird This season the estastes have to pay the dealers 45p per bird for them to collect them I take as many birds as i can and pass them on to friends and family Just recently i was asked by an associate where he could get a small quantity of birds for his dad at reasonable cost as he could'nt find out where he could get fresh game Hence i got him 20 brace and his dad was over the moon Another work mate rings me every season who takes around 40 brace Soemthing is not right where there are people wanting game birds but do not know where to get them Edited January 19, 2019 by sabel25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: If this can be shown and then put in the media great... But wont expect to read this news.. Also why not put them back in the ground, will actually feed all sorts and numerous insects and be good for the land. Typical idiot anti's stirring it up. Ive just come home from a shoot today.. And the keeper gave myself and a mate 100 partridge, in feather. He has to pay to get them gone normally. there were no prepared birds left and we said we'd take some feathered on and he came back with the 50 brace saying we could have them. A great offer and one we didn't think twice about. Me too in scotland All birds were taken by the guns for human consumption After first asking the beaters if they would like some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Didn't read like that from BASC. Any other BASC members get the e mail?? Yes. I got the email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, walshie said: Yes. I got the email. Was it actualy BASC that sent it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Game dealer need to shoulder a lot of the blame for the way the game market is. Was an article in paper other day that M&S can't stock enough game, selling really well. Don't see how it is anything to do with government thou (unless ur accusing game dealers of price fixing which they are) I would imagine burying could be a grey area, as pheasants are not domestic livestock like sheep cows. But strictly speaking (if law is the same for deer) when u bring birds back to larder they are then classed as larder waste so has to be dispossed off as commercial waste. At least thats the way it is with deer, fine to leave gralloch/pluck out in field if carried out in field but by rights if u took the beast back to larder to gralloch it then should be disposed of as larder/commercial waste. So in theory if u breasted all birds in field it would be legal to bury any waste Ps why do u not agree with burying carasses that most of the meat has been taken off?? Surley its more environmentally friendly than incenerating them esp if have to be transported of site. As long as meat taken off i don't see a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, sabel25 said: Was it actualy BASC that sent it ? I got it from the CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 All the carcasses were what remained after processing. I’ll post a link to the CA email I received regarding this matter tomorrow sometime. It isn’t whole/ entire carcasses dumped, it is the processed carcasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, scotslad said: Game dealer need to shoulder a lot of the blame for the way the game market is. Was an article in paper other day that M&S can't stock enough game, selling really well. Don't see how it is anything to do with government thou (unless ur accusing game dealers of price fixing which they are) I would imagine burying could be a grey area, as pheasants are not domestic livestock like sheep cows. But strictly speaking (if law is the same for deer) when u bring birds back to larder they are then classed as larder waste so has to be dispossed off as commercial waste. At least thats the way it is with deer, fine to leave gralloch/pluck out in field if carried out in field but by rights if u took the beast back to larder to gralloch it then should be disposed of as larder/commercial waste. So in theory if u breasted all birds in field it would be legal to bury any waste Ps why do u not agree with burying carasses that most of the meat has been taken off?? Surley its more environmentally friendly than incenerating them esp if have to be transported of site. As long as meat taken off i don't see a problem I am not in a dissagreement with burying game carcasses but the way it was carried out due to the sensitive issues regarding game and game shoots All wildlife thrive on dead carcasses and fully agree Incidently a farmers cow or sheep dies in the field he/she is not allowed to bury it but has to be collected and incinerated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 Thats because a farmers sheep/cow is domestic livestock a pheasant or deer isn't, i'm guessing the rules will be similar for deer to smal game about larder waste etc. But it could be a bit of a grey area with reguards to burying them. To be quite honest i think the whole thing is a set up (i couldn't get video clip to play) NO shoot is going to bury pheasants in plain view of anti's (wether breasted out or not) Have a search throu this forum been quite a few very similar stories with various photos claiming to be something but usually nnly a very smal number of carcasses about a the same age and often clearly breasted out if u know wot to look for (not that its hard to see the exposed breast bone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Scully said: All the carcasses were what remained after processing. I’ll post a link to the CA email I received regarding this matter tomorrow sometime. It isn’t whole/ entire carcasses dumped, it is the processed carcasses. Different matter altogether then. Not what my e mail was about. I can see little problem in that as long as not near a water course.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 i got the email from basc, this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 10 hours ago, sabel25 said: Was it actualy BASC that sent it ? Yes it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 Surely the fundamental issue is too many pheasants etc are being bred and shot when there is no market for them. Labour have plans in their manifesto to restrict or ban the rearing of game intensively. Its up to the shooting community to put its house in order or have regulation foisted on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, grahamch said: Surely the fundamental issue is too many pheasants etc are being bred and shot when there is no market for them. Labour have plans in their manifesto to restrict or ban the rearing of game intensively. Its up to the shooting community to put its house in order or have regulation foisted on us But how do you foretell how many the market will take? How do you breed a minimum amount needed based on what the market will take? Say a shoot plans to sell sixteen 300 bird days; based on percentages of birds lost via disease, extreme weather, roadkill or predation, how many poults do you order? I doubt very much it’s an exact science. It’s up to shooting estates to diversify to cater for fluctuations in markets, many other industries have had to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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