Doctor Refuses Medical Report

[Rim Fire]

My mate has put in for a renewal on SG and FA ticket to cut a long story short he had  sent to him yesterday a letter of Gwent FAD saying the Doctor wont give a medical report so he has 21 days to sort it out or no renewal it was the new law.

So he got in touch with his Doctor today and they are saying it used to be that the FAD got in touch with them and they would send them a letter stating that you are fit to own a Firearm.

This is no longer going to be the case as the doctor is saying if you go bonkers a couple of months  down the road they are not going to be responsible for stating that you was fit to hold a firearm 

so what they have said today is if he goes down to the surgery and sign a form stating that the FAD can have his records they will send all of his records. As it is he dont go to the doctors unlike some of us so he got nothing to hide. So he phoned Gwent FAD told them and they are fuming as they used to have a letter stating that you was ok now somebody over there is going to have to check your lifetime of records to see if you ok  to hold a firearm not only that they will  access to a lifetime of you going to the doctors who are they to make a medical judgement on you 

The surgery also said that all of the surgeries in the area is going to do the same surely this will cause  a backlog the surgery in question is Clark avenue in Pontnewydd Cwmbran by the senitaff 

Edited February 12, 2019 by Rim Fire

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

My mate has put in for a renewal on SG and FA ticket to cut a long story short he had  sent to him yesterday a letter of Gwent FAD saying the Doctor wont give a medical report so he has 21 days to sort it out or no renewal it was the new law.

So he got in touch with his Doctor today and they are saying it used to be that the FAD got in touch with them and they would send them a letter stating that you are fit to own a Firearm.

This is no longer going to be the case as the doctor is saying if you go bonkers a couple of months  down the road they are not going to be responsible for stating that you was fit to hold a firearm 

so what they have said today is if he goes down to the surgery and sign a form stating that the FAD can have his records they will send all of his records. As it is he dont go to the doctors unlike some of us so he got nothing to hide. So he phoned Gwent FAD told them and they are fuming as they used to have a letter stating that you was ok now somebody over there is going to have to check your lifetime of records to see if you ok  to hold a firearm not only that they will  access to a lifetime of you going to the doctors who are they to make a medical judgement on you 

The surgery also said that all of the surgeries in the area is going to do the same surely this will cause  a backlog the surgery in question is Clark avenue in Pontnewydd Cwmbran by the senitaff 

I think that sounds like good news? I have just got access to my records on line and in case i need to send them at renewal. 

[Scully]

I still can’t believe how many folk appear to have been living in the moon for the past three years or so and have only just made it back to planet earth!

There is no ‘new law’.

Your mate has various options, such as contacting his shooting organisation ( if he has one....and good luck with that ) ignoring the request,  by which current guidelines should see his licensing authority proceed with his applications after receiving nothing from his GP, telling his licensing authority that they are duty bound to proceed under the terms as I’ve described in the preceding sentence, or ask for his medical history in its entirety and submit that to licensing. 

Itvhas already been established that GP’s cannot be held responsible for the actions of a patient; they can only submit what factual history exists regarding a persons suitability to own firearms, based on that persons medical history. The clue is in the word ‘history’. 

[Rim Fire]

20 minutes ago, oowee said:

I think that sounds like good news? I have just got access to my records on line and in case i need to send them at renewal. 

Forgot to mention that you cant send them yourself it has do be done by a GP

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I still can’t believe how many folk appear to have been living in the moon for the past three years or so and have only just made it back to planet earth!

There is no ‘new law’.

Your mate has various options, such as contacting his shooting organisation ( if he has one....and good luck with that ) ignoring the request,  by which current guidelines should see his licensing authority proceed with his applications after receiving nothing from his GP, telling his licensing authority that they are duty bound to proceed under the terms as I’ve described in the preceding sentence, or ask for his medical history in its entirety and submit that to licensing. 

Itvhas already been established that GP’s cannot be held responsible for the actions of a patient; they can only submit what factual history exists regarding a persons suitability to own firearms, based on that persons medical history. The clue is in the word ‘history’. 

I agree Sully but if the FAd is stating that there is how do you go about it how do you argue with them they are the ones that say yeah or nah 

 

Edited February 12, 2019 by Rim Fire

[TIGHTCHOKE]

This will go on until someone (a wealthy private individual) rather than one of our poor old shooting associations stand up to the Police.

They are choosing to set these new hoops for us to jump through without it having been made in to a lawful request.

Far too many people have just rolled over and given in.

[Scully]

11 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Forgot to mention that you cant send them yourself it has do be done by a GP

I agree Sully but if the FAd is stating that there is how do you go about it how do you argue with them they are the ones that say yeah or nah 

 

Then it is up to you to point our to your FEO that what he is saying is wrong, and totally out of line with current guidelines.....or get in touch with your organisation and tell them to sort it. 

[Diss4111]

Also your medical records are exactly that, records. It's all history. No one (Except maybe Doris Stokes) knows if you will go crazy today, tomorrow or never. You can never expect a GP to say whether you are fit or not to hold firearms, that's the FEO's job.

[sportsbob]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

My mate has put in for a renewal on SG and FA ticket to cut a long story short he had  sent to him yesterday a letter of Gwent FAD saying the Doctor wont give a medical report so he has 21 days to sort it out or no renewal it was the new law.

So he got in touch with his Doctor today and they are saying it used to be that the FAD got in touch with them and they would send them a letter stating that you are fit to own a Firearm.

This is no longer going to be the case as the doctor is saying if you go bonkers a couple of months  down the road they are not going to be responsible for stating that you was fit to hold a firearm 

so what they have said today is if he goes down to the surgery and sign a form stating that the FAD can have his records they will send all of his records. As it is he dont go to the doctors unlike some of us so he got nothing to hide. So he phoned Gwent FAD told them and they are fuming as they used to have a letter stating that you was ok now somebody over there is going to have to check your lifetime of records to see if you ok  to hold a firearm not only that they will  access to a lifetime of you going to the doctors who are they to make a medical judgement on you 

The surgery also said that all of the surgeries in the area is going to do the same surely this will cause  a backlog the surgery in question is Clark avenue in Pontnewydd Cwmbran by the senitaff 

The quack only needs to say there is nothing on record at present  to show you would be unsuitable.

Edited February 12, 2019 by sportsbob

[Rim Fire]

55 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

The quack only needs to say there is nothing on record at present  to show you would be unsuitable.

Totally agree with all that's been said but when your firearms department tell you that it is a new law now  these people  suppose  to know the law if  so are they lying . So why aren't the likes of BASK and the other orgs making it clear that is not law and these firearm departments are breaking the law by saying it is law  

Edited February 12, 2019 by Rim Fire

[sportsbob]

45 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Totally agree with all that's been said but when your firearms department tell you that it is a new law now  these people  suppose  to know the law if  so are they lying . So why aren't the likes of BASK and the other orgs making it clear that is not law and these firearm departments are breaking the law by saying it is law  

It is not illegal to tell lies and there is no offence committed unless under oath.

I don`t agree with the police being in charge of the licencing and I don`t think they should insist on anything that falls outside the guidelines but there is precious little you can do about it

Just get used to the fact that the Police don`t want private ownership of Firearms.

Edited February 12, 2019 by sportsbob

[Lloyd90]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

I think that sounds like good news? I have just got access to my records on line and in case i need to send them at renewal. 

How is it good news? 

If you have no conditions that prohibit you from owning SGC / FAC then that’s it. 

Theyve got no right to go rooting through all of your private information that is totally irrelevant to the application. 

 

Another step towards anyone being able to pry into your private life with no regulation. 

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

This will go on until someone (a wealthy private individual) rather than one of our poor old shooting associations stand up to the Police.

They are choosing to set these new hoops for us to jump through without it having been made in to a lawful request.

Far too many people have just rolled over and given in.

I’m sure the shooting organisations are preparing their legal challenge as we speak. 

 

It muat be a damn good challenge as they’ve been preparing it for years now without leaking any of their amazing info that’ll sort this all out! 

[mossy835]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

I think that sounds like good news? I have just got access to my records on line and in case i need to send them at renewal. 

 

 

lets hope avon and somerset dont go down that road.

[andrewluke]

BASC are too busy to deal with this issue,they are dealing with this first;

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/put-your-plastic-to-good-use-basc-urges-members/

[walshie]

44 minutes ago, andrewluke said:

BASC are too busy to deal with this issue,they are dealing with this first;

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/put-your-plastic-to-good-use-basc-urges-members/

Don't forget 19 reg is due out soon. They must be up to their eyes deciding what options they want on their new company range rovers. 

Edited February 12, 2019 by walshie

[oowee]

56 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

How is it good news? 

If you have no conditions that prohibit you from owning SGC / FAC then that’s it. 

Theyve got no right to go rooting through all of your private information that is totally irrelevant to the application. 

 

Another step towards anyone being able to pry into your private life with no regulation. 

I’m sure the shooting organisations are preparing their legal challenge as we speak. 

 

It muat be a damn good challenge as they’ve been preparing it for years now without leaking any of their amazing info that’ll sort this all out! 

That doctors are refusing to do what the police are unreasonably asking of them 

3 minutes ago, walshie said:

Don't forget 19 reg is due out soon. They must be up to their eyes deciding what options they want on their new company range rovers. 

😀

[Lloyd90]

26 minutes ago, oowee said:

That doctors are refusing to do what the police are unreasonably asking of them 

 

Yes which legally means the Police have to process the applications.

How would it ever be good news that the Police refuse to follow the legislation and instead decide they get to look through your personal files even though they have nothing to do with your application? 

[CharlieT]

19 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

Yes which legally means the Police have to process the applications.

How would it ever be good news that the Police refuse to follow the legislation and instead decide they get to look through your personal files even though they have nothing to do with your application? 

Well, you gave them permission to do exactly that when you signed your application.

[Lloyd90]

Just now, CharlieT said:

Well, you gave them permission to do exactly that when you signed your application.

I believe the application relates only to the list of medical conditions that you have to declare? Why on earth would they want to read through pages about my bad foot or elbow injury? or any other personal matter? What relevance does it have to licencing or public safety? 

[CharlieT]

I give the police permission to contact my GP and/or specialist to obtain factual details of any medical history in relation to my suitability to possess a firearm and/or shotgun. This authority is valid for the life of the certificate(s). I understand that my GP may share sensitive personal data with the police concerning my physical and mental health for the purpose of enabling the police to make a fully informed decision on my application or continued suitability, and I hereby consent to this processing of my personal data.

 

Note the word ANY. It would be hard to argue that the police ME should not have access to ones full medical record to ascertain that no such physical or mental condition exist.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

9 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

I believe the application relates only to the list of medical conditions that you have to declare? Why on earth would they want to read through pages about my bad foot or elbow injury? or any other personal matter? What relevance does it have to licencing or public safety? 

You might have become suicidal after those visits to the Special Clinic!

[Lloyd90]

1 minute ago, CharlieT said:

I give the police permission to contact my GP and/or specialist to obtain factual details of any medical history in relation to my suitability to possess a firearm and/or shotgun. This authority is valid for the life of the certificate(s). I understand that my GP may share sensitive personal data with the police concerning my physical and mental health for the purpose of enabling the police to make a fully informed decision on my application or continued suitability, and I hereby consent to this processing of my personal data.

 

Note the word ANY. It would be hard to argue that the police ME should not have access to ones full medical record to ascertain that no such physical or mental condition exist.

You emphasised the word ANY - I would emphasise the words - in relation to my suitability to possess a firearm and/or shotgun.

 

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

You might have become suicidal after those visits to the Special Clinic!

It was hard to come to terms with having a massive manhood but hey ho just have to get on with it 😕

Plus if you became suicidal and it was on your GP records ... that is one of the conditions that they must be notified about 😉

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

Yes which legally means the Police have to process the applications.

How would it ever be good news that the Police refuse to follow the legislation and instead decide they get to look through your personal files even though they have nothing to do with your application? 

That doctors are refusing to do what the police are unreasonably asking of them is the good news. 

[eddoakley]

Surely there is a cover letter somewhere online that someone with legal knowledge has prepared and worded correctly that your doctor could simply sign?

"Medical conditions which may affect suitablity may include...x....y.....or  z.

I hereby confirm that...........has not been treated for any of the above mwntioned conditions and has nothing in his/her medical history that should prevent the issuing of a certificate"

"No specific test has been carried out in relation to this statement and this statement does not reflect a personal (or professional) opinion or assessment and is simply a report on the documented medical history available to me...."

 

It doesn't seem that would be hard to produce. The doctor is then stating facts and nothing more.

I completely agree that licensing departments making up rules is simply not on but when it could be easily overcome then why hasn't it been?

Or has it and I've not seen it?

 

Edd

[hambone]

I hope for my FLO's sake that the police never ask for my medical records 😂😂 the last time I saw them they were the size of an encyclopaedia.   

[toontastic]

I must live in a different universe to most other people. I got a letter from Northumbria police notifying me my SGC/FAC were due to run out in 12 weeks, I filled in the forms sent them off got a visit about 5 weeks later, feo turns up with my paperwork including letter from doctor saying no problems then 1 week later new docs arrive 6 weeks before old ones expire.