Saltings Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) we burn less fossil fuels than ever and yet the drum is banged 100 years ago fossil fuels were used for everything inc industry and temperatures were stable, as history shows and now a week of warm weather global warming drum banged again , same week as school holidays begin 100 yrs ago no planes or is it media BS , I can remember paddy's in Eire on the beach at salt hill as all crops planted on the farm and that's over 40 years ago now lucky to have crops in by June or July as raining all the time flooding as rivers no longer dredged uk , Eire thunder storms off the Atlantic were spectacular roof slates rattling, single glazed windows glass splitting ,outdoor farm animals killed, the storms are not as frequent or a vicious as 50 yrs ago, five or ten days of sunshine global warming drum again , in the late 70 temperatures far out seeded todays as chemists were issuing salt tablet and everyone was closing their curtains in the day / newspaper on windows to keep cool does the media only remember what happened yesterday or from records began on computer data as written evidence goes way further back than any laptop data if they care to research properly,, if in doubt ask your mom and dad back in the day how they coped Edited July 25, 2019 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, Saltings said: we burn less fossil fuels than ever Where on earth do you get that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Think Saltings was on about coal. He is right with what he is saying about global warming Edited July 25, 2019 by snow white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, snow white said: Think Saltings was on about coal. He is right with what he is saying about global warming Exactly....and why are those figures rising ? Mainly because we humans are polluting the earth with humans, not happy with doing it naturally we have now devised a number of ways of doing it artificially. Less humans ..less pollution, simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Global warming, or at least climate change, IS a fact, that it is man made is NOT a fact . Humans are only producing about 10% of the CO2, the rest is produced naturally, mostly by rotting down vegetation. There is money to be made by organisations like Greenpeace to keep the pressure on the fossil fuel debate, but, cutting down vast swathes of rainforest so we can have hardwood garden furniture is really closer to the real cause.. The Climategate scandal of a few years back really damaged the credibility of the campaigners case. Scientists were proved to be conspiring to fake the figures, because they were using those figures on lucrative lecture tours in America earning big bucks. But their same figures, although discredited are still being quoted by other campaigners today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 When you say " we burn less fossil fuels than ever " i assume you mean the UK. The UK is a very very small part of the World as a whole. The amount of fossil material being burnt in parts of the World such as Africa and South America is staggering. Not only there but Germany produces and burns millions of tons of very high sulphur producing coal, but the USA produces even more than them. We are just a small nation who have had our time burning fossil fuels, the difference being that we we were producing a lot but the rest of the world was producing very little, now we have reduced our production of Co2 but a lot of the rest of the world have vastly increased theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 governments didn't accept global warming at first but when they realised money could be made from the masses they all climbed onto the bandwagon what I want to know is what happened to the new ice age I was promised back in the sixties and seventies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, scutt said: governments didn't accept global warming at first but when they realised money could be made from the masses they all climbed onto the bandwagon what I want to know is what happened to the new ice age I was promised back in the sixties and seventies. I think we had it for a couple of weeks in January- hang on- wasn't that put down to global warming as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, scutt said: what I want to know is what happened to the new ice age I was promised back in the sixties and seventies. 1. The science got better. 2. Globalization happened and the 3rd world industrialized. Where I'm writing this (in northern Thailand), 40 years ago there wasn't a paved road in the nearby town and the local villagers would barricade their livestock behind bamboo stockades at night against predation from roaming tigers. Now the area is in town (even 5 years ago it wasn't), and there's a 4 lane highway running past our door which, three miles up the road, is being met with a brand new 6 lane motorway that will run clear across Laos all the way into China. I don't go into the town centre now if I can avoid it because of the crappy air quality and all the cars. Eighteen years ago when I first came here you could walk around the town centre and listen to the birds. And the air was fine. This pace of change might be more marked in S.E. Asia than on other continents but it's not exceptional. Wasteful consumption for its own sake, something that used to be confined to North America and northern Europe, is now an ever expanding global phenomenon. An air conditioner in every room and 3 cars in the driveway. It's the new 3rd world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, Retsdon said: 1. The science got better. 2. Globalization happened and the 3rd world industrialized. Where I'm writing this (in northern Thailand), 40 years ago there wasn't a paved road in the nearby town and the local villagers would barricade their livestock behind bamboo stockades at night against predation from roaming tigers. Now the area is in town (even 5 years ago it wasn't), and there's a 4 lane highway running past our door which, three miles up the road, is being met with a brand new 6 lane motorway that will run clear across Laos all the way into China. I don't go into the town centre now if I can avoid it because of the crappy air quality and all the cars. Eighteen years ago when I first came here you could walk around the town centre and listen to the birds. And the air was fine. This pace of change might be more marked in S.E. Asia than on other continents but it's not exceptional. Wasteful consumption for its own sake, something that used to be confined to North America and northern Europe, is now an ever expanding global phenomenon. An air conditioner in every room and 3 cars in the driveway. It's the new 3rd world. hello Retsdon, are you having a break from work to spend with the family, i never got to see the Chiang mai area in Thailand, only been up as far as Korat, some of my friends came from villages you describe, many off the beaten track of any road way, some from small shanty towns, i went back about 5 years ago and how things have changed since my early visits, new roads more sky high apartments buildings/ hotels, and more tourists, Chinese and Russian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Retsdon said: Globalization happened and the 3rd world industrialized. Where I'm writing this (in northern Thailand), 40 years ago there wasn't a paved road in the nearby town and the local villagers would barricade their livestock behind bamboo stockades at night against predation from roaming tigers. Now the area is in town (even 5 years ago it wasn't), and there's a 4 lane highway running past our door which, three miles up the road, is being met with a brand new 6 lane motorway that will run clear across Laos all the way into China. I don't go into the town centre now if I can avoid it because of the crappy air quality and all the cars. Eighteen years ago when I first came here you could walk around the town centre and listen to the birds. And the air was fine. This pace of change might be more marked in S.E. Asia than on other continents but it's not exceptional. Wasteful consumption for its own sake, something that used to be confined to North America and northern Europe, is now an ever expanding global phenomenon. An air conditioner in every room and 3 cars in the driveway. It's the new 3rd world. 🙂 Yep, they want what we have, and who are we to tell them they can't have it? People harp on about the rain forest disappearing. They're clearing the land for commercial gain, and again, who are we to tell them they can't? After all we did. And with it all comes population growth. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, scutt said: ...what I want to know is what happened to the new ice age I was promised back in the sixties and seventies. I presume you were told that we had the "little ice age" and the temperature had steadily increased through the 20th C. It was thought that it was cyclical but that, like the warming that is happening, is too simplistic a model and there are lots of possible reasons for the heating and cooling of the earth, deforestation/reforestation (population dynamics), ocean currents, volcanic activity/air travel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 The "Man Made" aspect of climate change is the greatest deception in all history; far bigger even than the statins hoax - and that's saying something! Today "They" announce the present warming period is the most rapid for the last 2,000 years. How can they possibly know that? I'm pretty sure we didn't have many climate experts or even thermometers back in the 10th/11th centuries when it was so warm there were agricultural communities in Greenland. If someone can prove scientifically that increasing the volume of CO2 from 0.03% to 0.04% can change the climate by increasing global temperatures I'll eat my wife's Aygo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 On the upside, we'll soon be able to grow grapes again in the Pennines and Borders, just like the ancient Romans did. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Westward said: "They" Go on, I'll bite, who are the mysterious "They"? Do they also have something to do with the statins hoax too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, henry d said: Go on, I'll bite, who are the mysterious "They"? Do they also have something to do with the statins hoax too? Saw it on this morning's news. I didn't pay much attention to who they were, IIRC it was some advisory panel to the IPCC. Getting well rewarded by the UN (which is another basket case BTW) for recycling the same old baloney beats working for a living doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Scully said: On the upside, we'll soon be able to grow grapes again in the Pennines and Borders, just like the ancient Romans did. 😀 Couldn't find anything about the Romans, but It looks like they have been since 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicW Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 In 1976 when we had a major heatwave that lasted for nearly three weeks climate change hadn't been discovered/invented. Vic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, henry d said: Couldn't find anything about the Romans, but It looks like they have been since 2008 Not really. I know Ron and Angela very well, and despite the sales they made to a few local supermarkets like Booths, it wasn’t a roaring success, and is unfortunately no longer on the go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Westward said: Saw it on this morning's news. I didn't pay much attention to who they were, IIRC it was some advisory panel to the IPCC. Getting well rewarded by the UN (which is another basket case BTW) for recycling the same old baloney beats working for a living doesn't it? Hmmm, so why use "They"? There are too many conspiracy theorists, yes here on PW, ready to latch onto such mysterious use of words, plus they love someone adding in the UN, all we need is NASA and the Rothschilds and it's a full house flat earth conspiracy! 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, henry d said: Couldn't find anything about the Romans, but It looks like they have been since 2008 According to a quick look on google, the romans grew wine grapes in Britain, but it then grew too cold in the middle ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scully said: Not really. I know Ron and Angela very well, and despite the sales they made to a few local supermarkets like Booths, it wasn’t a roaring success, and is unfortunately no longer on the go. Neither are the Roman vineyards! All I could find was vineyards in the south of England, and we have those. Pretty warm here in the shade in central Scotland today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, henry d said: Neither are the Roman vineyards! All I could find was vineyards in the south of England, and we have those. Pretty warm here in the shade in central Scotland today... Not once it grew colder, no. I wonder what caused the climate to grow colder? 😉 Maybe Ron and Angela should give it another go....toasty warm here now. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, VicW said: In 1976 when we had a major heatwave that lasted for nearly three weeks climate change hadn't been discovered/invented. Vic. And even that year it still rained most of the time in Glasgow. The legendary summer of '76 arrived up there about the 3rd week of August and lasted for a fortnight.😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Vince Green said: Cutting down vast swathes of rainforest so we can have hardwood garden furniture And grow soya for the for the eco warriors who are complaining. To the naysayers check it out before you poo poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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