Newbie to this Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 And now that they can see that they may not be able to stop it, they are crying 'undemocratic'. Well to that I say, pot have you meet the kettle. Hypocrites all of them!!! 2 minutes ago, Retsdon said: ...it wouldn't have solved the Irish issue. Nor would it have done anything for services, data sharing, etc, etc. It was just a zero tarrif/quota agreement on goods. What Irish issue? As for the rest it works both ways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Didn't take long for these people to change their tunes. A right sleazy pack of.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, oowee said: Holding the the government to account to deliver the acceptable deal it promised, is working for the democratic decision of the referendum. The Government is unable to secure the deal it promised and then shutting down the protest. Parliament has had 3 years during which time they have none nothing but block progress and hamper the negotiations by removing 'no deal'. 1 hour ago, Mice! said: Absolutely, getting rid of Bercow alone is a step forward. I don't believe a new Parliament gets to elects a new speaker - but I may be wrong. 59 minutes ago, oowee said: Bercow is a Tory He may have been a Tory, but he doesn't fit with the current Tory party. 28 minutes ago, oowee said: Liam Fox said a post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the “easiest in human history”. Well surprise surprise he was wrong. The EU have flatly refused to discuss any post Brexit trade deals - so that is simply not correct. No attempt at discussing a post Brexit deal has taken place. 25 minutes ago, Retsdon said: The opposition's job is to oppose. That's what they did and there's nothing wrong with that. Whilst true - lets not forget that they also promised to honour the referendum result in their manifesto. Now they are saying they will hold a new referendum and campaign for Remaining - How is that "honouring the referendum result"? As usual manifesto torn up post election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, oowee said: What part of cancelling parliament is not shutting down debate . Don't believe the carp given out by the kipper. The Government wants to have full access to the EU club without membership. Is it any surprise the EU said no? Liam Fox said a post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the “easiest in human history”. Well surprise surprise he was wrong. Equally, the remainers in parliament are lying too, they don't really want to "leave with a deal"........ they don't want to leave the EU at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Quote Lack of faith in him not helped by his unwillingness to be transparent over why he is proroguing Parliament. Matched equally by the Remain bunch howling about constitutional crisis and lack of democracy. They only have the one aim - not to implement the democratic vote to leave the EU. They are truly a shifty bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: Attacks by a mob on Nigel Farage and his daughters....it,s well documented, and the video is still on You Tube. Not condoning it but hardly seemed like a credible threat to life, strange that he became separated from his kids in the incident. 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Does Boris have the balls ? Yes I think he has ! But not the balls to be transparent over his real intentions around proroguing parliament? - quite a leap of faith that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, jolly good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, hello, we have to do the right thing on the Irish border, but what ever the deal or no deal i would wager on November 1st all EU trade ministers will be knocking on our door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: But not the balls to be transparent over his real intentions around proroguing parliament? - quite a leap of faith that... As you seem to 'know' what his real intentions are, why does he need to be transparent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Go Boris, go Boris, go Boris, go go go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Not condoning it but hardly seemed like a credible threat to life, strange that he became separated from his kids in the incident. But not the balls to be transparent over his real intentions around proroguing parliament? - quite a leap of faith that... And the remainers in parliament are being transparent when the say the want to leave with a deal?....when everyone knows they are lying .........they just want to prevent us leaving the EU...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) Just to be pedantic in the extreme. Britain is not a democracy and never has been, we have a Constitutional Monarchy. If the queen is asked to suspend parliament and she agrees its job done. Its Ironic that the ones bleating about (so called) democracy are the ones plotting to try and hijack parliament, The referendum was the closest thing we had to democracy and these muppets don't want to abide by it. Edited August 29, 2019 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, panoma1 said: And the remainers in parliament are being transparent when the say the want to leave with a deal?....when everyone knows they are lying .........they just want to prevent us leaving the EU...... Since when do two wrongs make a right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, we have to do the right thing on the Irish border, but what ever the deal or no deal i would wager on November 1st all EU trade ministers will be knocking on our door If Ireland has a problem with the border they can build one, nobody is stopping them. Not our problem. But lets just step back for a moment and look at the issue The idea that a product from outside the EU, lets say Australian lamb, could be landed in Britain, then shipped to Northern Ireland, driven from the North to the South and re-exported into mainland Europe to avoid paying EU import duty is ridiculous. The cost of doing it would be far greater than the duty they would avoid paying. Its a tactical objection nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Since when do two wrongs make a right? There is only one wrong, that is remainer MP's conspiring to overturn the democratic will of the people........It's right to counter an underhand, deceitful, undemocratic act by traitors, by any means available!....such as a new governments usual constitutional act of suspending parliament prior to the opening of the next session which commences with the state opening of Parliament ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Go Boris, go Boris, go Boris, go go go! Don't get too exited, I have the horrible feeling he will get tweaks to the Backstop and then present May's awful deal again. I truly hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, panoma1 said: There is only one wrong, that is remainer MP's conspiring to overturn the democratic will of the people........It's right to counter an underhand, deceitful, undemocratic act by traitors, by any means available!....such as a new governments usual constitutional act of suspending parliament prior to the opening of the next session which commences with the state opening of Parliament ! I do not agree and would suggest there have been numerous wrongs starting with the FACT that there was no plan for Brexit in the event that the referendum result went the way of leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Its Ironic that the ones bleating about (so called) democracy are the ones plotting to try and hijack parliament, The referendum was the closest thing we had to democracy and these muppets don't want to abide by it. ^^^^ This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Not condoning it but hardly seemed like a credible threat to life, strange that he became separated from his kids in the incident. But not the balls to be transparent over his real intentions around proroguing parliament? - quite a leap of faith that... So someone can scream at Soubry, and get charged, but that does not happen to any of the mob who threatened Farage? Sorry Raja, expected better than that from you. 3 hours ago, oowee said: What part of cancelling parliament is not shutting down debate . Don't believe the carp given out by the kipper. The Government wants to have full access to the EU club without membership. Is it any surprise the EU said no? Liam Fox said a post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the “easiest in human history”. Well surprise surprise he was wrong. It,s not "POst Brexit yet, so, unless you have a crystal ball, you are wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Retsdon said: No. Let's put the blame squarely where it belongs. The opposition's job is to oppose. That's what they did and there's nothing wrong with that. The debacle has been caused by Rees Mogg and his ERG pals voting against their own Tory government. And now that the No Deal scenario they've worked so hard to bring about is coming to pass they're looking around to shift the blame for the consequences onto other people. They're cowardly as well as dopey. You forget.....LABOUR voted overwhelmingly against the Deal....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I do not agree and would suggest there have been numerous wrongs starting with the FACT that there was no plan for Brexit in the event that the referendum result went the way of leave. Come on man , weve moved past this one now. Pointless arguing about plans, and what ifs and what for's , about whether they promised a deal , or what kind of Brexit we voted for. We ARE going to leave, and whatever wriggling the hard core remainers are going to try and do , just exposes them for what they are. Lying conniving hypocrites, who seem to have interests far outside of the job they are payed to do. Cant wait to see them get booted next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Retsdon said: Didn't take long for these people to change their tunes. A right sleazy pack of.....! Just like Corbyn (a Leaver for 37 years!), and all those MPs who voted overwhelmingly for a Referendum in the first place....."we will honour the result" yeah, right! 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, we have to do the right thing on the Irish border, but what ever the deal or no deal i would wager on November 1st all EU trade ministers will be knocking on our door That,s a safe bet! 59 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Since when do two wrongs make a right? Raja, are you admitting he,s right? That all the Remoaners want to do is to block Brexit? Not really interested in a deal? Wow! 33 minutes ago, Vince Green said: If Ireland has a problem with the border they can build one, nobody is stopping them. Not our problem. But lets just step back for a moment and look at the issue The idea that a product from outside the EU, lets say Australian lamb, could be landed in Britain, then shipped to Northern Ireland, driven from the North to the South and re-exported into mainland Europe to avoid paying EU import duty is ridiculous. The cost of doing it would be far greater than the duty they would avoid paying. Its a tactical objection nothing more Correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, pinfireman said: You forget.....LABOUR voted overwhelmingly against the Deal....... and that from a party that campaigned on an election manifesto to see the referendum result carried through - and led (nominally anyway though I believe he is just a tired and rather 'dim' old man put up a a front by McDonnell, Len McLusky, Seaumus Milne, Jon Lansman, Jennie Formby and the Momentum group etc.) by a lifelong leaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I do not agree and would suggest there have been numerous wrongs starting with the FACT that there was no plan for Brexit in the event that the referendum result went the way of leave. Why should there have been a plan? Once the vote was cast, and we voted to Leave, it was up to Parliament to honour the result, and take us OUT! What really happened was that they were gob-smacked when we ignored their advice, and since then , have attempted to overturn the result by any means possible. 10 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Come on man , weve moved past this one now. Pointless arguing about plans, and what ifs and what for's , about whether they promised a deal , or what kind of Brexit we voted for. We ARE going to leave, and whatever wriggling the hard core remainers are going to try and do , just exposes them for what they are. Lying conniving hypocrites, who seem to have interests far outside of the job they are payed to do. Cant wait to see them get booted next election. You and me both ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Come on man , weve moved past this one now. Pointless arguing about plans, and what ifs and what for's , about whether they promised a deal , or what kind of Brexit we voted for. We ARE going to leave, and whatever wriggling the hard core remainers are going to try and do , just exposes them for what they are. Lying conniving hypocrites, who seem to have interests far outside of the job they are payed to do. Cant wait to see them get booted next election. I merely used it as an example to counter the claim that there was only one wrong. The irony here of course is that the referendum result was supposed to delivery parliamentary sovereignty back to the UK and now in the process of doing so, BoJo is trying to circumvent it. I admire your confidence in us leaving, I’d admit the probability has increased but it remains far from a foregone conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The irony here of course is that the referendum result was supposed to delivery parliamentary sovereignty back to the UK and now in the process of doing so, BoJo is trying to circumvent it. We don't have it yet! Because people like your self can't accept the vote that took place! We've not left yet so we don't have it back. Suspending parliament is nothing unusual, but ofcourse the moaning brigade would say it is. And in reply to a comment you made previously regarding examples of remoaners kicking off at leavers as it's only ever us racist radical pig **** thick leavers harrasing remain voters... Oh wait, I've been classed a racist dumb *** that doesn't know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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