BREXIT

[oowee]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Please explain.

It's mega complex. He has set himself a very tight deadline and has to decide what parts can be done within the timetable. The EU may not be prepared to do it step at a time. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, oowee said:

It's mega complex. He has set himself a very tight deadline and has to decide what parts can be done within the timetable. The EU may not be prepared to do it step at a time. 

Then if the EU will not negotiate while we have a much stronger position at the table NO DEAL will be the way forward!

Simples.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Then if the EU will not negotiate while we have a much stronger position at the table NO DEAL will be the way forward!

Simples.

Maybe. 

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

The EU may not be prepared to do it step at a time. 

When the government had no majority - and a Parliament who didn't want Brexit, the EU had a strong hand, mainly because the remainer group in Parliament aided by the biased Speaker and the Labour party who conspired to remove the best cards in the p.m.'s hand.

It is totally different now, and the EU may find they need to be a bit less 'dictator' and a bit more 'negotiator'.

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Then if the EU will not negotiate while we have a much stronger position at the table NO DEAL will be the way forward!

Simples.

One can hope! 🙂

[oowee]

Peter North's thoughts on the subject.

This is certainly not 1997. Johnson is no Blair. Blair had his own mandate built from the ground up, with a renewed party barely recognisable from what came before, with fresh energy with a sense of moral purpose. Not so this time. The Tory party is still the same soulless, rudderless husk elected on the back of a national revulsion at the prospect of a Corbyn government. 

 

Johnson is a man whose temperament is simply not suited to long and detailed negotiation. He has neither the intellectual stamina or the attention span, and doesn't care enough about Brexit objectives just so long as the theatricals play well. The real work will be delegated to the Brexit and trade obsessives on the right of the party where the talent pool is more of a puddle.  

 

Their red lines and idiotic misconceptions will very rapidly bump into the EU's political and technical red lines and the problems thrown up by his dog's dinner of a withdrawal agreement. At that point Johnson is well out of his depth and we'll see all the usual pompous incompetent bravado that sees us ejected from a number of important EU markets while having nothing of a contingency plan to speak of. 

[Scully]

4 minutes ago, oowee said:

Peter North's thoughts on the subject.

This is certainly not 1997. Johnson is no Blair. Blair had his own mandate built from the ground up, with a renewed party barely recognisable from what came before, with fresh energy with a sense of moral purpose. Not so this time. The Tory party is still the same soulless, rudderless husk elected on the back of a national revulsion at the prospect of a Corbyn government. 

 

Johnson is a man whose temperament is simply not suited to long and detailed negotiation. He has neither the intellectual stamina or the attention span, and doesn't care enough about Brexit objectives just so long as the theatricals play well. The real work will be delegated to the Brexit and trade obsessives on the right of the party where the talent pool is more of a puddle.  

 

Their red lines and idiotic misconceptions will very rapidly bump into the EU's political and technical red lines and the problems thrown up by his dog's dinner of a withdrawal agreement. At that point Johnson is well out of his depth and we'll see all the usual pompous incompetent bravado that sees us ejected from a number of important EU markets while having nothing of a contingency plan to speak of. 

No deal then? 😀

[ditchman]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Peter North's thoughts on the subject.

This is certainly not 1997. Johnson is no Blair. Blair had his own mandate built from the ground up, with a renewed party barely recognisable from what came before, with fresh energy with a sense of moral purpose. Not so this time. The Tory party is still the same soulless, rudderless husk elected on the back of a national revulsion at the prospect of a Corbyn government. 

 

Johnson is a man whose temperament is simply not suited to long and detailed negotiation. He has neither the intellectual stamina or the attention span, and doesn't care enough about Brexit objectives just so long as the theatricals play well. The real work will be delegated to the Brexit and trade obsessives on the right of the party where the talent pool is more of a puddle.  

 

Their red lines and idiotic misconceptions will very rapidly bump into the EU's political and technical red lines and the problems thrown up by his dog's dinner of a withdrawal agreement. At that point Johnson is well out of his depth and we'll see all the usual pompous incompetent bravado that sees us ejected from a number of important EU markets while having nothing of a contingency plan to speak of. 

why is he so upset...............sounds if he has had a really bad day

[oowee]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

why is he so upset...............sounds if he has had a really bad day

Seems to be more than a day he has lost patience for the last couple of months with the whole affair. 

I think towards the end of the last negotiation he was fed up that none of the politicians knew what they were talking about, when it came to trade negotiations. Despite being a Brexit supporter he has become increasingly disillusioned with the lack of both knowledge and ambition and went down to posting just once a week.  

[JohnfromUK]

25 minutes ago, oowee said:

went down to posting just once a week.

Perhaps his posts were getting a bit expensive  https://www.brettwilson.co.uk/blog/brexiteer-ordered-to-pay-philosopher-20000-in-libel-damages-for-paedophile-tweet/

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 hours ago, oowee said:

Peter North's thoughts on the subject.

This is certainly not 1997. Johnson is no Blair. Blair had his own mandate built from the ground up, with a renewed party barely recognisable from what came before, with fresh energy with a sense of moral purpose. Not so this time. The Tory party is still the same soulless, rudderless husk elected on the back of a national revulsion at the prospect of a Corbyn government. 

 

Johnson is a man whose temperament is simply not suited to long and detailed negotiation. He has neither the intellectual stamina or the attention span, and doesn't care enough about Brexit objectives just so long as the theatricals play well. The real work will be delegated to the Brexit and trade obsessives on the right of the party where the talent pool is more of a puddle.  

 

Their red lines and idiotic misconceptions will very rapidly bump into the EU's political and technical red lines and the problems thrown up by his dog's dinner of a withdrawal agreement. At that point Johnson is well out of his depth and we'll see all the usual pompous incompetent bravado that sees us ejected from a number of important EU markets while having nothing of a contingency plan to speak of. 

The literal translation of Peter North's name is BAD LOSER!

9 hours ago, oowee said:

Seems to be more than a day he has lost patience for the last couple of months with the whole affair. 

I think towards the end of the last negotiation he was fed up that none of the politicians knew what they were talking about, when it came to trade negotiations. Despite being a Brexit supporter he has become increasingly disillusioned with the lack of both knowledge and ambition and went down to posting just once a week.  

Much like 17.4 million people who's vote was ignored for so long!!!!!!

[oowee]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The literal translation of Peter North's name is BAD LOSER!

Much like 17.4 million people who's vote was ignored for so long!!!!!!

? Peter North is a disgruntled Brexiteer. Last time I looked we were leaving. 

[Rewulf]

44 minutes ago, oowee said:

? Peter North is a disgruntled Brexiteer. Last time I looked we were leaving. 

Err, so why is he disgruntled? 

Is it not his type of Brexit? 😂

Apparently there are many types of Brexit, so I've heard.. I like the one where we actually leave. 

[panoma1]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

It's mega complex. He has set himself a very tight deadline and has to decide what parts can be done within the timetable. The EU may not be prepared to do it step at a time. 

According to the media reports, Boris hasn’t set the deadline himself, the EU and UK agreed during Boris’s renegotiation of the WA, the deadline for the completion of negotiations was the end of 2020.....now Barnier is trying to renege on this, by implying it’s not realistic! Presumably, to up the pressure and/or keep us close to the EU for longer?

[Rewulf]

10 billion a year for every year we stay in. 

Of course they want to stretch it out. 

[Rewulf]

[Retsdon]

https://www.ft.com/content/fc85d94e-0a28-11ea-b2d6-9bf4d1957a67

The FT outlined the difficulties in this article from last month.

[Gordon R]

They will just have to get their finger out to complete on time. The Tories have the stronger hand and don't have factions of their own party trying to undermine them. The EU are in a far weaker position than they were pre-election.

[Dave-G]

I'm sure they can get down to serious business if they really really really want to - or are made to in order to avoid no deal.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Lisa Nandy MP is struggling with reality!

 

I have just watched her spouting tripe on the ITV Evening News.

 

 

Apparently just changing the set up in parliament is not a good reason to change the way we are dealing with Brexit!

 

Stupid woman, does she not understand what a substantial majority will mean?

[Retsdon]

See the election bounce didn't last long!. It looks like the markets are starting to twig this Tory government isn't play acting. It really is as clueless as it pretends to be.

 

[Scully]

‘Bounces’ by definition don’t last long, and as such always come back down. I see by your graph it has dropped back down to where it was ( more or less ) pre bounce. 🙂

You need a thicker jumper, that chip on your shoulder is visible. 😉

[oowee]

The EU has voted to ban single use plastics by 2021. Will we be left behind or follow suit? 

 

[grrclark]

15 hours ago, oowee said:

The EU has voted to ban single use plastics by 2021. Will we be left behind or follow suit? 

 

In itself that is quite a remarkable position to take.  I don’t disagree that we should take a bold stance on reducing our dependency on plastic, but 12 months (or 24 if it’s anytime in 2021) to do away with single use plastic is hugely bold and will be massively disruptive (read expensive).

There will be committed supply chain orders already in place that extend out that far that rely on single use plastics.

Perhaps the outcome of being seen to do the politically correct thing rather than considering practical considerations.

[Walker570]

I am readin on the news where this idiot is about to cause problems with Brexit.  He says he will veto Brexit if Boris doesn't fully cover the subject of immigrants....well he uses the word 'citizens'.

This man is seriously dangerous and another very good reason why we want out of the EU. His own countrymen didn't want him either, so that says something.  At least Boris has kept the likelyhood of a No Deal on the table.  Without our money the EU are in serious trouble and the likes of Verhofstadt will do all they can to prelong the UK leaving and paying the billions into their pension fund.