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7 minutes ago, ditchman said:

got to be fake news...........................

Its all fake news, till its not :lol:

'They wanted a peoples vote....'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7790961/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-wanted-Peoples-Vote-got-one.html?ito=facebook_share_article-top&fbclid=IwAR0ZwdXetXclSU-byHR0pW255USibaxvmhPIMU6uk4O-4bjfJOUZMlFpRTY

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1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

Boris never struck me as a long term planner, but this looks to me as if he is preparing for the next election in five years time. If Labour don't get rid of Momentum and their cronies, it could be a generation of Tory governments. Labour will have been in the wilderness for 14 years come next election.

Slapping Sturgeon down at an early stage is a step in the right direction. Now he has to woo the Scottish voters. Whatever Sturgeon says, I would not like Scotland to leave. I think it would be a disaster for them, albeit financially better for the rest of the UK.

BoJo is much more of a centrist than his opponents portray him as, the problem is he is also self serving and a liar so people don't trust him when he tries to get that message across.  His naked personal ambition and keenness to sway in the direction of the prevailing breeze for his own benefit is easy to paint as someone who is more extreme.

I have read a lot of his writings over the years, and enjoy it very much, and the message is largely the same and very much a one nation centrist type view.

Friedrich Hayek was the favoured economist of Thatcher, he is widely considered to be a proponent of what is pejoratively described as neo-liberalism and who promoted genuine free market capitalism, he is the antithesis of John Maynard Keynes large state economic theory beloved of socialists.  Boris has written many good articles challenging Hayekian economics where he balances it against the principles of Keynes and actually advocates a blend of both, a mixture of state and free market where the state is enabled and empowered through the benefits of capitalism, but the state also affords the necessary protections to stop it becoming unbridled.  By any definition a centrist position.

I very much hope he can demonstrate that in practice given the luxury afforded to him by that big win on Thursday.  He very much needs to demonstrate that.

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13 hours ago, Bobba said:

In terms of value you're right, there could be a trade off. But my point was keeping "control". Unless all fish caught are landed in th uk then we will have no idea what is caught and landed in other member states in terms of species, tonnage and size, as they certainly won't allow us to inspect their records in their countries. And there are factory ships, one operating under Dutch flag, which Hoover up fish stocks. Gove is considering reintroducing the 200 mile limit but unless he introduces with it a rigorous control system our fishermen still run the risk of being shafted by Johnny Foreigner.

 

12 hours ago, sportsbob said:

If we do take control back then perhaps banning the monstrous factory ships should be rule number one.

Sounds like we need a Navy, I've seen clips where fishing boats are ramming each other, who's going to do that with a couple of frigates on patrol?

12 hours ago, ditchman said:

it appears Boris J is to visit the North to those labour heartlands that voted for him.....to thank them for their support

i think that is a nice touch ..:good:

 

9 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Boris never struck me as a long term planner, but this looks to me as if he is preparing for the next election in five years time. If Labour don't get rid of Momentum and their cronies, it could be a generation of Tory governments. Labour will have been in the wilderness for 14 years come next election.

Slapping Sturgeon down at an early stage is a step in the right direction. Now he has to woo the Scottish voters. Whatever Sturgeon says, I would not like Scotland to leave. I think it would be a disaster for them, albeit financially better for the rest of the UK.

All he needs to do is spend money in Bolton Leigh and we both know those areas could do with it, then other areas that went blue, see a bit of change under the Tories instead of the same from Labour and they'll vote again.

Ditchy, I'm sure I heard he went to Tony Blair's old constituency today, now that's a nice touch.

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9 hours ago, grrclark said:

BoJo is much more of a centrist than his opponents portray him as, the problem is he is also self serving and a liar so people don't trust him when he tries to get that message across.  His naked personal ambition and keenness to sway in the direction of the prevailing breeze for his own benefit is easy to paint as someone who is more extreme.

I have read a lot of his writings over the years, and enjoy it very much, and the message is largely the same and very much a one nation centrist type view.

Friedrich Hayek was the favoured economist of Thatcher, he is widely considered to be a proponent of what is pejoratively described as neo-liberalism and who promoted genuine free market capitalism, he is the antithesis of John Maynard Keynes large state economic theory beloved of socialists.  Boris has written many good articles challenging Hayekian economics where he balances it against the principles of Keynes and actually advocates a blend of both, a mixture of state and free market where the state is enabled and empowered through the benefits of capitalism, but the state also affords the necessary protections to stop it becoming unbridled.  By any definition a centrist position.

I very much hope he can demonstrate that in practice given the luxury afforded to him by that big win on Thursday.  He very much needs to demonstrate that.

I tend to agree regarding the kayaking economics  and Milton Keynes....

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change is good      (a new brush sweeps clean)    lost a vote you have to work twice as hard to get it back  if you  can          I vote the best for the job       male / female / party   I don't trust politicians  lying  bs      the best person in your area / take the country forward 

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Well an interesting few days. In the event, and for the first time in my life, I did not vote because I'm a lifelong Tory voter and I just couldn't bring myself to vote Lib Dem (and Labour was a non-starter) - my constituency is so Tory and pro-Leave (69% in 2016) so it wouldn't have mattered a jot anyway.

I'm hearing some people say that the Tory landslide was more to do with anti-Corbyn than pro-Brexit but it doesn't matter and continuing to argue the toss is just pointless now, I always said that a second leave vote would nail it for me and I'd give up on Remain - so I have. 

I still haven't worked out if Johnson is brilliant or lucky, a mix of both I suspect. It will be interesting to see what he will do next, both in terms of Brexit and his other pre-election pledges, and whether or not he will now take a more centrist stance. I still think there will be a few twists and turns before we finally leave the EU and details of the departure will more or less determine how long this whole Brexit gig continues to rumble on. Interesting to hear potential parallels of Boris to Blair, the prospect of that can't be going down well with some...

As for Labour, as many have said here and elsewhere, they are a shambles - not least because they are two (at least) very bad parties within one. Their GEC need to decide if Momentum is what they are about and if not then all elements of that faction need to be removed, for good. If Labour take on the Momentum mantel fully then I can see the Tories being in power a very long time, unless the rest sort their game out. I can't help but feel that somehow Corbyn turned out to be the Brexiteers secret weapon...

Won't even get started on the Lib Dems.

All I personally hope for is that we can now move forward as a nation, deal with whatever Brexit holds in stall for all of us and that the next time we have a general election there is a better choice available to us all...

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18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Well an interesting few days. In the event, and for the first time in my life, I did not vote because I'm a lifelong Tory voter and I just couldn't bring myself to vote Lib Dem (and Labour was a non-starter) - my constituency is so Tory and pro-Leave (69% in 2016) so it wouldn't have mattered a jot anyway.

I'm hearing some people say that the Tory landslide was more to do with anti-Corbyn than pro-Brexit but it doesn't matter and continuing to argue the toss is just pointless now, I always said that a second leave vote would nail it for me and I'd give up on Remain - so I have. 

I still haven't worked out if Johnson is brilliant or lucky, a mix of both I suspect. It will be interesting to see what he will do next, both in terms of Brexit and his other pre-election pledges, and whether or not he will now take a more centrist stance. I still think there will be a few twists and turns before we finally leave the EU and details of the departure will more or less determine how long this whole Brexit gig continues to rumble on. Interesting to hear potential parallels of Boris to Blair, the prospect of that can't be going down well with some...

As for Labour, as many have said here and elsewhere, they are a shambles - not least because they are two (at least) very bad parties within one. Their GEC need to decide if Momentum is what they are about and if not then all elements of that faction need to be removed, for good. If Labour take on the Momentum mantel fully then I can see the Tories being in power a very long time, unless the rest sort their game out. I can't help but feel that somehow Corbyn turned out to be the Brexiteers secret weapon...

Won't even get started on the Lib Dems.

All I personally hope for is that we can now move forward as a nation, deal with whatever Brexit holds in stall for all of us and that the next time we have a general election there is a better choice available to us all...

3 years late! But better late than never!..........I suppose

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