The Next General Election.

[chrisjpainter]

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

Jess Phillips has been touted as an ‘outsider’, but I’d have money on her. 

She's impressive. I think few of any of the current labour crop understand the scale and magnitude of Labour's defeat as well as her. Her interview is worth listening to:

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2019-12-13/jess-phillips-of-course-somebody-like-me-could-be-the-leader-of-the-labour-party/

[Yellow Bear]

11 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

Apparently the loony left are protesting in Westminster, London and Glasgow against Boris and the Tory’s election victory, repeatedly shouting “oh! Jeremy Corbin” The police are in attendance, the pictures show placards headed “socialist worker”....”they don’t like it up em Mr Mainwaring” lol! 

Seems to be totally missing from beeb web page - now there's a surprise.   I very much suspect that very few of them are actually workers and socialist is also questionable.

[Mungler]

2 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Jess Phillips or Lisa Nandy.

 

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

Jess Phillips has been touted as an ‘outsider’, but I’d have money on her. 

Word is Corbyn is hanging on to appoint one of his hard left momentum acolytes like Rebecca Long-Bailey whom I can best describe and the embodiment of running all your finger nails down a blackboard. She grates on every single nerve in my body.

Anyways, as a Conservative I wish him all the best in sending labour further into the wilderness.

Indeed I think people will willingly vote for a dose of Herpes instead of Rebecca Long-Bailey.

I quite like Jess Phillips - she at least appeared to be human unlike all her colleagues.

[Dave-G]

Dunno if any of you guys watched the SKY election program (I still have a late night body clock)

 

I was quite surprised that John Bercow came over so well, he was very affable. I quite liked the bloke actually, didn't when he was the speaker. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

8 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Dunno if any of you guys watched the SKY election program (I still have a late night body clock)

 

I was quite surprised that John Bercow came over so well, he was very affable. I quite liked the bloke actually, didn't when he was the speaker. 

I watched bits of all the others but couldn't face seeing Bercow working at his new job as he was bloody awful as Speaker of the House.

[panoma1]

12 hours ago, Mungler said:

 

Word is Corbyn is hanging on to appoint one of his hard left momentum acolytes like Rebecca Long-Bailey whom I can best describe and the embodiment of running all your finger nails down a blackboard. She grates on every single nerve in my body.

Anyways, as a Conservative I wish him all the best in sending labour further into the wilderness.

Indeed I think people will willingly vote for a dose of Herpes instead of Rebecca Long-Bailey.

I quite like Jess Phillips - she at least appeared to be human unlike all her colleagues.

I agree that Corbyn is digging in “tight as a tick” so he and his likeminded, leftie Trot mates can put one of their own in as Labour leader! Once the hard left get close to power, they will use any means (including intimidation, threats and violence) and fight tooth and nail to stay there!....they will NOT leave voluntarily.......they will have to be politically kicked out!

[Mungler]

27 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

I agree that Corbyn is digging in “tight as a tick” so he and his likeminded, leftie Trot mates can put one of their own in as Labour leader! Once the hard left get close to power, they will use any means (including intimidation, threats and violence) and fight tooth and nail to stay there!....they will NOT leave voluntarily.......they will have to be politically kicked out!

We are witnessing the end of the Labour Party as we know it.

It’s time for the Lib Dems to regroup as centre left and collect any sensible remnants of the Labour Party. 

The Labour Party can then become the mad fringe far left Party it craves to be under Corbyn and Co.

 

Edited December 14, 2019 by Mungler

[grrclark]

This footage of Alan Johnson attacking Jon Lansman and the wider momentum movement demonstrates the current level of divide within labour.  It's worth a watch.

Utterly scathing and genuinely angry at the failure of his party.  If I were a Labour party member I would feel the same and in truth, and as someone who is a member of the Tory party, I am angry at Labour for failing to provide good and competent opposition.  I believe that every successful government needs to be challenged and scrutinised by a competent opposition because it keeps things honest and appropriate.

The fact that an inveterate liar and man without principle should achieve such a resounding victory is staggering and says far more for the direction of travel for Labour than it does for the Conservatives and I very much hope that the senior echelons of the Tory party realise and appreciate that.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/alan-johnson-labour-momentum-jeremy-corbyn-election-results-a4312706.html

18 hours ago, chrisjpainter said:

Online poll of 5,641 respondents, so should be reasonably accurate. Also:

'The Momentum founder, Jon Lansman, was on the receiving end of an extraordinary broadside from the Labour grandee Alan Johnson as they appeared together during ITV’s election coverage. Accusing Momentum of peddling “student politics”, Johnson said: “I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing.” Corbyn “couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag”, the former home secretary added.' (taken from the guardian)

I really should read forward through a thread and not backwards, just saw this after posting the link about AJ's rant to Lansman.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, grrclark said:

This footage of Alan Johnson attacking Jon Lansman and the wider momentum movement demonstrates the current level of divide within labour.  It's worth a watch.

Utterly scathing and genuinely angry at the failure of his party.  If I were a Labour party member I would feel the same and in truth, and as someone who is a member of the Tory party, I am angry at Labour for failing to provide good and competent opposition.  I believe that every successful government needs to be challenged and scrutinised by a competent opposition because it keeps things honest and appropriate.

The fact that an inveterate liar and man without principle should achieve such a resounding victory is staggering and says far more for the direction of travel for Labour than it does for the Conservatives and I very much hope that the senior echelons of the Tory party realise and appreciate that.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/alan-johnson-labour-momentum-jeremy-corbyn-election-results-a4312706.html

I really should read forward through a thread and not backwards, just saw this after posting the link about AJ's rant to Lansman.

It was rather good, did you see the lady from Momentum, I think she didn't realise the contempt for the bunch of fools. She just kept saying it was all because of Brexit!

If they really are that blinkered there is little hope for the party until Momentum loses control!

[grrclark]

29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

It was rather good, did you see the lady from Momentum, I think she didn't realise the contempt for the bunch of fools. She just kept saying it was all because of Brexit!

If they really are that blinkered there is little hope for the party until Momentum loses control!

I didn't see that bit Dave, I actually saw very little of any of the election footage as I was out pretending I was a youngster again in a bar till 3:30am.

I saw the clip of AJ following a link earlier and thought it was very telling.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Graham it was a wonderful evening, just a shame I was at work the next day!

[Rewulf]

Mcdonnell steps back into the shadows.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-john-mcdonnell-stand-down-corbyn-leadership-frontrunners-a9246771.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2DE4zBmmxYfC5We9-7oDv6cNpsMlD2C8cIK8mTF7gGAloHiFd0fzxbh9U#Echobox=1576326286

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Such a shame............NOT!

[wyn]

I read that someone on Question time pointed out to Stephen Kinnock, that Apart from Blair, Labour haven't won a general election for 40 years.

Edited December 14, 2019 by wyn

[Newbie to this]

2 minutes ago, wyn said:

I read that someone on Question time pointed out to Stephen Kinnock, that Apart from Blair, Labour haven't won a general election for 50 years.

Long may it continue 

[Dibble]

Stephen Kinnock comes across as a nice bloke but.........he certainly has been a winner. Cushy jobs for both his parents from the EU. His wife has won elections despite accusations of tax evasion by her and her husband and cushy jobs once she left office.

[TRINITY]

If Corbyn and momentum have real influence burgon  will be right up with the front runners. He is a real obnoxious left wing reptile and he has been given a lot of high profile media gigs. Also high up in shadow cabinet. 

He is definitely my choice and I have just had a little tipple on him at 80/1 with skybet. If you like a gamble chaps check him out and get your money on at those generous odds. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TRINITY]

5 hours ago, Mungler said:

We are witnessing the end of the Labour Party as we know it.

 

 

 

Don't think so Mungler, they have always been the same. The difference now is that they are arrogantly opening up to show their true colours. In the past they have been far more savvy and disguised their ideology buy having purportedly moderate MP,s to front them up. However the lefties have always been the majority pulling the strings in the background 

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

they have always been the same.

I don't think so; Blair was different.  He was a nasty grasping individual, with more interest in 'spin' than the truth, and I have only contempt for him.  Arguably he was the first to be a blatant liar in politics (as you observe, previously politicians had at least been careful not to be too obvious).  But he wasn't very lefty - in fact - he was a near Tory in economics and largely believed in 'free market' economics and controlling spending quite tightly, was certainly not a disarmer (quite the reverse).

Callaghan was also different - in that I think he was actually quite a well meaning person in many ways.

I would not trust any of the present Labour lot, and I can't think of any others I would trust, but at least the Tories are of a similar line of thinking to me (whereas Labour are not).

[TRINITY]

John

Yes I agree totally, but my point is those you mention were only covering up and suppressing what was really deep below the surface in the party.

Even in  in those supposedly central moderate times of Blair etc, they all gathered together and sang The Red Flag , that says it all

[panoma1]

1 hour ago, TRINITY said:

Don't think so Mungler, they have always been the same. The difference now is that they are arrogantly opening up to show their true colours. In the past they have been far more savvy and disguised their ideology buy having purportedly moderate MP,s to front them up. However the lefties have always been the majority pulling the strings in the background 

I don’t agree! The moderate socialists were always in the majority, the Trotskyite element were always there as a minority striving, but never attaining much influence....the boot is on the other foot now, the hard left are in control of the Labour Party and they are cleansing it of moderates!....watch Corbyn, Mc Donnell, Lansman, and their ilk crown their new hard left Labour leader!

[Rewulf]

I saw this on Facebook and thought it a good summary, a lot of people are saying that it was Brexit that destroyed Corbyns labour, I believe that only part of the issue.

"One of the best takes I’ve read on why Corbyn was always going to lose! From Pete North and he is oop Norff, in Bradford.

“If you believe working class people voted Tory because they're hapless dupes with no agency, taken in by the tabloid press, and now the Tories will "punish the poor" and sell off the NHS to Donald Trump, it's you who's taken in by carefully crafted propaganda messages. You're the gullible one. They played right into your  conceited belief that you are smarter and morally superior than the rest of us. 

When voters looked at Corbyn's Labour they saw a party that had abandoned them in favour of well off middle class progressives and adolescents too young to remember the stagnation of socialism. A predatory party playing on the ignorance of the young and the greed of the self-entitled. That is an affront to the British work ethic and innate sense of fairness. 

Labour lost because they deserved to lose. 

Britain was never going to vote for a far left prospectus because we are not a nation of serfs waiting to be rescued by our betters and we aren't so easily bribed with our own money. 

The left will continue to lose elections for as long as they hold ordinary people in contempt and patronise them, believing they are entitled to the votes of the working class. 

To say working class Tory voters are turkeys voting for Christmas is the very essence of that losing arrogance. Brits aren't stupid. They know free stuff from the government comes with a price tag. If you haven't worked that out, you're the gullible one. Get over yourself.”

 

Edited December 14, 2019 by Rewulf

[Mungler]

Rewulf that’s a brilliant piece. Where did you find it?

And yes, I’m borrowing it.

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Rewulf that’s a brilliant piece. Where did you find it?

And yes, I’m borrowing it.

Just a piece off the Bruges group ( facebook)

Lots of good stuff on there.

[Mungler]

21 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Just a piece off the Bruges group ( facebook)

Lots of good stuff on there.

Do you have a link?

If you are in discussion with the author tell him it’s a fantastic piece.