Diane Abbott on Any Questions?

[chrisjpainter]

If you want a giggle, or want a reason to hurl things at the radio, check out Diane Abbott's...performance...on Any Questions tonight! How this woman is still Shadow Home Sec. I will never know and why they let her out amongst the public and to answer their questions is also a mystery! 

At one point she suggested The Labour Party were about to privatise BT! I know people bash the BBC for being all lefty, but fair play to the host, Chris Morris was more than happy to give her rope and watch her hang herself!

The more air time she gets, the safer Boris becomes

[ditchman]

labour have costed it at £20 billion........

the head of BT said that is grossly underestimated........

[grrclark]

18 hours ago, chrisjpainter said:

If you want a giggle, or want a reason to hurl things at the radio, check out Diane Abbott's...performance...on Any Questions tonight! How this woman is still Shadow Home Sec. I will never know and why they let her out amongst the public and to answer their questions is also a mystery! 

At one point she suggested The Labour Party were about to privatise BT! I know people bash the BBC for being all lefty, but fair play to the host, Chris Morris was more than happy to give her rope and watch her hang herself!

The more air time she gets, the safer Boris becomes

That's the thing though, they are so naive about what de-privatising broadband actually means and when pressed on it John McDonald hinted that they would potentially have to take into public ownership even more to be able to do that.  In effect if you present enough practical hurdles to their utterly utterly stupid policy they only conclusion would be having to privatise most of BT and not just Openreach.  Diane Abott was not lying or even going off script.

I cannot stress enough just how completely stupid and bewilderingly ill considered this key policy announcement actually is, not even thinking about the cost, just about what it would actually mean in the telecoms industry.

Edited November 16, 2019 by grrclark
Being stupid when i wrote the post originally...

[chrisjpainter]

3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

labour have costed it at £20 billion........

the head of BT said that is grossly underestimated........

Diane Abbott getting the numbers wrong, who'd have thought it?

The Brexit party woman (Clair/Clare/Claire somebody) also made the point that it's probably a bad idea to have the whole country's broadband connection in the hands of the government. That's a power I'm not sure I would trust any government with

[B391]

and the IT industry, Openreach do a huge amount of network and telecoms cabling for most industries and they are stretched enough,  This would be horrendous for everyone.

Most data centres and IP based companies have diverse routing of at least 2 of the companies they want to nationalise, massive disasters waiting to happen if they get in

[Newbie to this]

23 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:

That's a power I'm not sure I would trust any government with

This is entirely what this dream is about. Tracking everyone's internet use and ultimately controlling the content.

It's communism 101

Edited November 15, 2019 by Newbie to this

[grrclark]

One other Labour MP or advisor even parped on LBC this morning that nationalised fibre broadband would be better than 5G because there are less security fears especially with people like Huawei involved in 5G.  Apparently it slipped her notice that Openreach fibre broadband network entirely relies on Huawei devices, tens of thousands of them.

Some other Labour clown tonight talking about broadband as a "single piece of infrastructure", it is utterly mind boggling that they should be so wholly and completely ill advised on a headline policy.

Edited November 15, 2019 by grrclark
rubbish grammar....

[Paddy Galore!]

it's all hot air anyway. even if they got into No 10, once they realise their mistake it'll all be swept under the carpet and conveniently forgotten. much like all the other election promises made by just about every other politician ever

 

[grrclark]

2 minutes ago, Paddy Galore! said:

it's all hot air anyway. even if they got into No 10, once they realise their mistake it'll all be swept under the carpet and conveniently forgotten. much like all the other election promises made by just about every other politician ever

For me it is more than that, there is hyperbole in all political manifestos and promises of course, but the policy as they have announced is just so remarkably stupid.

It will go straight to court as the commercial vendors will not just blithely accept it, then of course with Labour's policy of either staying in the EU or staying in the EU every European operator will take them to court too and so will the EC for breaking the state aid and anti competitive rules.

600 independent business in the UK broadband market that the government would seek to pull the rug out from underneath, goodness knows how many UK businesses in the supply chain to them, all completely filleted by Magic Grandpa.

[bluesj]

Makes you wonder how they expect any company to invest in any type of infrastructure in the UK. Why would you invest millions in say they power network that is going to be needed to meet future demand when there is a chance the government are just going to say we'll have that thanks. 

[chrisjpainter]

2 minutes ago, grrclark said:

For me it is more than that, there is hyperbole in all political manifestos and promises of course, but the policy as they have announced is just so remarkably stupid.

It will go straight to court as the commercial vendors will not just blithely accept it, then of course with Labour's policy of either staying in the EU or staying in the EU every European operator will take them to court too and so will the EC for breaking the state aid and anti competitive rules.

600 independent business in the UK broadband market that the government would seek to pull the rug out from underneath, goodness knows how many UK businesses in the supply chain to them, all completely filleted by Magic Grandpa.

What enrages me most is that my generation and the one below it (I'm 34) will just think 'Woohoo! Internet!' and not think through what it would actually mean. at best, it's staggeringly short sighted and under-costed. At worst, down right dangerous.

[stagboy]

 

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by stagboy

[grrclark]

5 minutes ago, bluesj said:

Makes you wonder how they expect any company to invest in any type of infrastructure in the UK. Why would you invest millions in say they power network that is going to be needed to meet future demand when there is a chance the government are just going to say we'll have that thanks. 

Exactly.  TalkTalk were due to announce today the details of the sale of their fibre arm, Fibrenation, to CityFibre and this has been postponed.

It escaped Magic Grandpa and his cronies that Openreach is not the sole provider of fibre-to-the-premise and of course no consideration at all that the last mile broadband service is backhauled over a highly complex mix of comm's circuits from very many suppliers who all own physical infrastructure.

[grrclark]

10 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:

What enrages me most is that my generation and the one below it (I'm 34) will just think 'Woohoo! Internet!' and not think through what it would actually mean. at best, it's staggeringly short sighted and under-costed. At worst, down right dangerous.

Not just the younger generations sadly, many of the idealists will embrace it.   BoJo described it right, it is an indulgence in "academic idealogical onanism", or 'mental masturbation over one's beliefs' to use less scriptural language (Genesis Henryd?).

 

[chrisjpainter]

23 minutes ago, grrclark said:

Not just the younger generations sadly, many of the idealists will embrace it.   BoJo described it right, it is an indulgence in "academic idealogical onanism", or 'mental masturbation over one's beliefs' to use less scriptural language (Genesis Henryd?).

 

Correct. Onan is a properly minor little fellow who, because of one awkward trouser moment has gone down in legend and gets his own word! Put to death for not wanting to father children in order to swipe an inheritance. Poor form indeed.

[grrclark]

A legendary awkward trouser moment 🤣🤣

PW thread drifts are ace.

 

[Retsdon]

7 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

This is entirely what this dream is about. Tracking everyone's internet use and ultimately controlling the content.

 

It's already happening.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianvigo/2018/09/18/state-internet-surveillance-in-the-uk-and-the-tech-sector/#e246b4469437

...only softened slightly by the EU court of justice!

Edited November 16, 2019 by Retsdon

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 hours ago, chrisjpainter said:

If you want a giggle, or want a reason to hurl things at the radio, check out Diane Abbott's...performance...on Any Questions tonight! How this woman is still Shadow Home Sec. I will never know and why they let her out amongst the public and to answer their questions is also a mystery! 

At one point she suggested The Labour Party were about to privatise BT! I know people bash the BBC for being all lefty, but fair play to the host, Chris Morris was more than happy to give her rope and watch her hang herself!

The more air time she gets, the safer Boris becomes

 

10 hours ago, grrclark said:

That's the thing though, they are so naive about what privatising broadband actually means and when pressed on it John McDonald hinted that they would potentially have to privatise more to be able to do that.  In effect if you present enough practical hurdles to their utterly utterly stupid policy they only conclusion would be having to privatise most of BT and not just Openreach.  Diane Abott was not lying or even going off script.

I cannot stress enough just how completely stupid and bewilderingly ill considered this key policy announcement actually is, not even thinking about the cost, just about what it would actually mean in the telecoms industry.

 

9 hours ago, grrclark said:

For me it is more than that, there is hyperbole in all political manifestos and promises of course, but the policy as they have announced is just so remarkably stupid.

It will go straight to court as the commercial vendors will not just blithely accept it, then of course with Labour's policy of either staying in the EU or staying in the EU every European operator will take them to court too and so will the EC for breaking the state aid and anti competitive rules.

600 independent business in the UK broadband market that the government would seek to pull the rug out from underneath, goodness knows how many UK businesses in the supply chain to them, all completely filleted by Magic Grandpa.

 

9 hours ago, grrclark said:

Exactly.  TalkTalk were due to announce today the details of the sale of their fibre arm, Fibrenation, to CityFibre and this has been postponed.

It escaped Magic Grandpa and his cronies that Openreach is not the sole provider of fibre-to-the-premise and of course no consideration at all that the last mile broadband service is backhauled over a highly complex mix of comm's circuits from very many suppliers who all own physical infrastructure.

One might just come to the conclusion that the Labour/Communist/Marxist/anti-semitic party don't really have a clue.

And even more worrying is the FACT that an awful lot of people will blindly vote for their carp.

[yates]

The worst thing about this for me personally is that all the parties are as inept as each other. There are no credible or decent people who inspire me to vote for them. Sad but unfortunately true. Worrying times ahead for all of us

[Mungler]

51 minutes ago, yates said:

The worst thing about this for me personally is that all the parties are as inept as each other. There are no credible or decent people who inspire me to vote for them. Sad but unfortunately true. Worrying times ahead for all of us

I don’t know what the big deal is.

Remember the first series of any of the reality TV shows? Remember the first series of the Apprentice, when it was pure, the contestants were naive, idealistic and focused on working for Lord Sugar and nothing else? That gave us Tim, the nice black fella who worked on the London Underground and wanted more for himself and who had the erstwhile hidden skills for the job with the big dog.
 

Then with the passage of time these TV series become magnets for the wannabes and the media whores, those with other agendas and the message or mission in the underlying TV concept is long lost.

Politics is the same. Why do we expect our politicians to be flawless and pure as the driven snow? They’re all driven power hungry loons who have made it to the top of their respective piles by climbing over the bodies of their vanquished enemies and colleagues.

It is a matter of picking the lesser of the evils and anyone in their right mind can see how potty the Corbyn lot are. The nationalisation of BT is just jaw dropping madness. I just don’t know where to start with that one it’s so out there crackpot bonkers. Maybe we should start with where the £100,000,000,000 could be better spent than giving fibre to Mrs Miggins at Wiggley Farm in Cornwall.

[old man]

On 15/11/2019 at 21:45, Newbie to this said:

This is entirely what this dream is about. Tracking everyone's internet use and ultimately controlling the content.

It's communism 101

Many a truism hinted at in jest?

The lunacy of all of these promises is that non of the promisors will be around when the wheels come off?

Edited November 17, 2019 by old man
spelling

[KB1]

17 hours ago, grrclark said:

That's the thing though, they are so naive about what privatising broadband actually means and when pressed on it John McDonald hinted that they would potentially have to privatise more to be able to do that.  In effect if you present enough practical hurdles to their utterly utterly stupid policy they only conclusion would be having to privatise most of BT and not just Openreach.  Diane Abott was not lying or even going off script.

I cannot stress enough just how completely stupid and bewilderingly ill considered this key policy announcement actually is, not even thinking about the cost, just about what it would actually mean in the telecoms industry.

How can we privatise BT if its not a public company……..?  Is it me, or did someone miss Abbott's foobah that chrisjpainter pointed out🥴

[grrclark]

15 minutes ago, KB1 said:

How can we privatise BT if its not a public company……..?  Is it me, or did someone miss Abbott's foobah that chrisjpainter pointed out🥴

Stupid typo on part, i ought to have typed de-privatising.  I shall edit my original post.

And yes, completely sailed over my head that she said about "privatising it".  I was so staggered by the entire policy that I plainly failed to read.

Edited November 16, 2019 by grrclark

[GingerCat]

The 20bn is not an estimate, that's what corbyn would pay and as he has already said "they" would decide the "Proper price" I don't doubt it.   A bit like me deciding you will sell your house to me for 50 quid and you'd better be thankful for it. 

More worryingly is that most media is not printed, it's all online. If you control the means you can control the content. A bit like north korea and other socialist countries. Communism 101 indeed. 

[Newbie to this]

I see an interview with one of the Labour hierarchy asking about how much it was going to cost to re-nationalise some of the companies they were targeting and where the money was coming from. Basically calling them out on their costings.

Shockingly the answer was the shares will be compulsory purchased with government bonds so no money would be required at the outset.

So basically they will steal the companies back from shareholders with government bonds, even if the shareholders don't want them.