Retsdon Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: So basically they will steal the companies back from shareholders with government bonds, I suppose what goes around comes around. All these public utilities were grossly underpriced when they were sold off. What's sauce for the goose, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Newbie to this said: This is entirely what this dream is about. Tracking everyone's internet use and ultimately controlling the content. It's communism 101 They want to reinvent the Stasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 20 hours ago, grrclark said: That's the thing though, they are so naive about what de-privatising broadband actually means and when pressed on it John McDonald hinted that they would potentially have to take into public ownership even more to be able to do that. In effect if you present enough practical hurdles to their utterly utterly stupid policy they only conclusion would be having to privatise most of BT and not just Openreach. Diane Abott was not lying or even going off script. I cannot stress enough just how completely stupid and bewilderingly ill considered this key policy announcement actually is, not even thinking about the cost, just about what it would actually mean in the telecoms industry. You're slipping young man🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, KB1 said: You're slipping young man🥴 Yeah, bad day for sure. I shall write out 100 times “nationalise not privatise” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Just now, grrclark said: Yeah, bad day for sure. I shall write out 100 times “nationalise not privatise” Which, coincidentally, is the whole of the Labour Manifesto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, grrclark said: Yeah, bad day for sure. I shall write out 100 times “nationalise not privatise” It's not often you leave you're guard down🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, KB1 said: It's not often you leave you're guard down🤪 That’s what happens when you post comments after a long drive listening to idiots on the radio that made you grumpy. However, i’m also entirely content to admit that i am as much of an asshat as anyone else 😝 51 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: Which, coincidentally, is the whole of the Labour Manifesto I was thinking that as I posted it, John McDonell and Magic Grandpa will be happy with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 16 hours ago, GingerCat said: The 20bn is not an estimate, that's what corbyn would pay and as he has already said "they" would decide the "Proper price" I don't doubt it. A bit like me deciding you will sell your house to me for 50 quid and you'd better be thankful for it. More worryingly is that most media is not printed, it's all online. If you control the means you can control the content. A bit like north korea and other socialist countries. Communism 101 indeed. Possibly if he gets in the legislation to do this may follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Shockingly the answer was the shares will be compulsory purchased with government bonds so no money would be required at the outset. Otherwise known as theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibble Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 years ago most of the WiFi routers Round here (including me) were BT I've just checked, 2 BT, 4 Virgin and 5 other within range. BT performance fell to 12Mbps Virgin are running at 123Mbps I can't see Bt improving as a State owned monopoly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dibble said: 3 years ago most of the WiFi routers Round here (including me) were BT I've just checked, 2 BT, 4 Virgin and 5 other within range. BT performance fell to 12Mbps Virgin are running at 123Mbps I can't see Bt improving as a State owned monopoly Of course they will, because Virgin etc would be forced out of business and BT (the state) would by default acquire their infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 State controlled internet, who’d have thought? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Scully said: State controlled internet, who’d have thought? 🙂 If Boris was astute enough, he'd be pressing that point too………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, KB1 said: If Boris was astute enough, he'd be pressing that point too………. He wouldn't want anyone bringing up the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/investigatorypowers.html The UK has the most intrusive government surveillance of any country in the western world. A Conservative initiative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 You could use that argument to say that we lead the field in counter-terrorism. We can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Retsdon said: He wouldn't want anyone bringing up the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/investigatorypowers.html The UK has the most intrusive government surveillance of any country in the western world. A Conservative initiative... 5 hours ago, Gordon R said: You could use that argument to say that we lead the field in counter-terrorism. We can't have it both ways. Fair comment Gordon. Honestly I don't mind the government having intrusive powers as long as they are not using them in an authoritarian manner. Besides which it is pretty easy to make yourself mostly anonymous online by using a vpn. Not an expensive option, the browser Opera has one you can turn on and off at will, and it's free. 21 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Now this i like! Edited November 17, 2019 by Danger-Mouse Spelling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: Honestly I don't mind the government having intrusive powers as long as they are not using them in an authoritarian manner. You trust the Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, oowee said: You trust the Government? No, not at all. But current evidence would suggest that their surveillance rights are not being used on ordinary citizens. Fancy your chances on a state endorsed internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: No, not at all. But current evidence would suggest that their surveillance rights are not being used on ordinary citizens. Please. What are you expecting a story in the Express? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, oowee said: Please. What are you expecting a story in the Express? No, I would expect an increased pressure from the police on low level crimes. All I see is forces changing their focus, often ignoring low level crimes. Although admittedly there does seem to be an increasing focus on minor cyber "crimes", so called hate speech etc., but I tend to regard that more as leftist sentiment and political correctness rather than a serious assault on citizen's rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grrclark Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr_Nobody said: No, not at all. But current evidence would suggest that their surveillance rights are not being used on ordinary citizens. Fancy your chances on a state endorsed internet? You need to do a little bit more research on the abuse of surveillance powers in the UK. There is a lot of verified info in the public domain without to resort to fantasy peddling you tube channels or the like. Town centre cctv sytems being used for wheelie bin infringements, over occupancy in council housing, parking infringements, false benefit claims, etc. Now of course the idealogical will say those are all bad things so fair game, but really what we should be asking is when did we sign up for 24hr surveillance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Retsdon said: He wouldn't want anyone bringing up the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/investigatorypowers.html The UK has the most intrusive government surveillance of any country in the western world. A Conservative initiative... I think you were kinda missing my point…….. There's a number of demographics out there that will give a vote for Labour if there's a free bag of potatoes in it for them🥴 so 'Free' internet would have them dribbling in their undies👅, which of course is Jeremy's obvious intention. So, as soon as Boris pricks their otherwise impenetrable grey matter with the realisation that Comrade Corbyn could actually keep tabs on their salacious surfing activity, then they may just have second thoughts about his gift horse😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, KB1 said: So, as soon as Boris pricks their otherwise impenetrable grey matter with the realisation that Comrade Corbyn could actually keep tabs on their salacious surfing activity, But the government already keeps tabs on you - no could about it. So it's a non-story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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