Retsdon Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Scully said: You must be great craic on a night out! 😳 You didn't like the car in the hedge story? That's a pity, because I promise I was at least trying ... Let's face it though, this is a thread about what will shortly become a national emergency that's very likely to leave an awful lot of people bereaved. If there were no other choice but to take it, perhaps better to laugh and make the best of it than whine and grizzle. But when people are going to die as a result of a policy decision that will almost inevitably be reversed by foreseeable circumstances. maybe I'm missing something but I can't find much levity there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Jaymo said: Aren’t you lucky, we’re still being sent to Italy !!!! But you are young and healthy, more likely a carrier than a sufferer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Retsdon I don't understand why you selectively quote elements of a post, rather than considering them in the full context. I agree with much of your last two posts and it's a shame that your post is written to suggest that it is an opposing view, when that is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 full of sympathy my brother said it’s only killing the old of i replied that’s me you fool i’m old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Retsdon said: You didn't like the car in the hedge story? That's a pity, because I promise I was at least trying ... Let's face it though, this is a thread about what will shortly become a national emergency that's very likely to leave an awful lot of people bereaved. If there were no other choice but to take it, perhaps better to laugh and make the best of it than whine and grizzle. But when people are going to die as a result of a policy decision that will almost inevitably be reversed by foreseeable circumstances. maybe I'm missing something but I can't find much levity there. I believe you....you’re very trying! 😀 I can obviously see how serious it is, I just tend to try to be positive regarding most things and get on with my life. We are at the whim of overriding government policy etc etc; there is no alternative but to just get on with our lives, despite how incompetent those who rule over us would seem to be. There is no point getting despondent and negative regarding things over which we have no control. There is no other choice but to take it; we just have to carry on carrying on. What else would you have us do, or suggest we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, Retsdon said: There are no good economic outcomes. I think you need to think of the big picture, doff your tin foil base ball cap , and think outside the box... Who is the virus most likely to kill ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Rewulf said: I think you need to think of the big picture, doff your tin foil base ball cap , and think outside the box... Who is the virus most likely to kill ? The old and the infirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Rewulf said: Who is the virus most likely to kill ? Brexiters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Retsdon said: Brexiters How narrow minded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Newbie to this said: How narrow minded No just plain STUPID! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scully said: There is no other choice but to take it; we just have to carry on carrying on. What else would you have us do, or suggest we do? When did people in Britain become so passive? 2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: How narrow minded It was a joke! Look who asked me the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I think you need to think of the big picture, doff your tin foil base ball cap , and think outside the box... Who is the virus most likely to kill ? Are you suggesting that the govs inaction is a kind of euthanasia for the old and costly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Retsdon said: When did people in Britain become so passive? 😃 Passive? Believe you me, there aren’t many people more willing than me to rock a boat, ( and gladly suffer the consequences ) but again, what would you have us do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 I don’t know why they don’t just let this virus run its course, they are not going to stop it and according to the experts after a small drop in cases during the summer it will come back just as strong come autumn/winter 2020/2021. 16 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Brexiters Well there’s not much hope for me then, Brexiter and 69. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 A touch of context, so far this season there has been 34million case of flu in the US, 350,000 hospitalised from it and 20000 dead. I've previously posted the uk's average of 17000 annual deaths from the flu and 2014/15s whopping 28k dead. So far Corona has 110000 infected and 3000 dead worldwide. Only 6 in the UK and 600 outside of China. I think more people have died of car crashes in the last week than this virus from the beginning. Regardless of whether China is telling porkies over the infected and death rate we can reasonably assume everyone else is telling it as it is. I'm far more concerned about the flu. Thats seasonal flu btw, not some pandemic swine flu or bird flu (150k to 500k estimated dead worldwide and far from the end of the world). I don't get the scaremongering and impending doom, it's not helpful and is somewhat defeatist at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, old'un said: I don’t know why they don’t just let this virus run its course 5 minutes ago, old'un said: after a small drop in cases during the summer it will come back just as strong come autumn/winter 2020/2021. It will almost certainly do both of the above, but the longer you delay the peak - the more chance a number of people - particularly those at high risk may be able to benefit from a vaccine - which according to some estimates may be available as early as autumn/winter 2020/21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: It will almost certainly do both of the above, but the longer you delay the peak - the more chance a number of people - particularly those at high risk may be able to benefit from a vaccine - which according to some estimates may be available as early as autumn/winter 2020/21. I guess the question is, how long can the world shut down for? According to reports coming out of the U.S. a safe vaccine is unlikely for at least 18 months. Edited March 10, 2020 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, old'un said: According to reports coming out of the U.S. a safe vaccine is unlikely for at least 18 months. There are so many different estimates; one report said that China was already testing a vaccine on human subjects. This may be a case where you accept a degree of risk and adopt a shorter emergency testing regime. I guess it depends on the risks of the virus versus the vaccine - and a judgement made on that basis. My feeling is that the scientists who develop any vaccine may have a feeling (based on experience and how closely it is related to existing products) of whether they see large or small risks from a new vaccine. There are an awful lot of very clever minds that are going to be working on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, Retsdon said: It was a joke! Look who asked me the question. Of course, it's a joke until a Brexiteer you love is dying of asphyxiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, Scully said: but again, what would you have us do? Vote labour , so he can get his family in free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: There are so many different estimates; one report said that China was already testing a vaccine on human subjects. This may be a case where you accept a degree of risk and adopt a shorter emergency testing regime. I guess it depends on the risks of the virus versus the vaccine - and a judgement made on that basis. My feeling is that the scientists who develop any vaccine may have a feeling (based on experience and how closely it is related to existing products) of whether they see large or small risks from a new vaccine. There are an awful lot of very clever minds that are going to be working on this one. Theres also an awful lot of press releases from drugs companies, one of the front runners Moderna Pharmaceuticals did such a press release In late February, its shares prices soared 30% when the company announced it had delivered doses of the first coronavirus vaccine candidate to the National Institutes of Health, pushing its stock market valuation to around $11 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Vote labour , so he can get his family in free Possibly; we’ll never know until he replies. If he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Vote labour , so he can get his family in free Perhaps we should leave my family out of this? Anyway, only one of the four of us isn't British. My kids can trace an unbroken Scottish lineage back to 1781. Which, if we're going to start waving flags, is a lot more than can be said for the prime minister and half his dodgy cabinet of chancers and spivs. 9 minutes ago, Scully said: Possibly; we’ll never know until he replies. If he does. OK, if you're happy that the government's response is to tell you to wash your hands, fine. If it were me, I'd be writing to my MP;. I'd be writing to the newspaper, I'd actually be arguing in public forums that the government's response is inadequate, etc, etc. I'd be trying to make my voice heard. If enough people did that.... But you do what you like. I'll predict though, that in in the end the public will be making a noise. Only it'll be too late to do much good. Edited March 10, 2020 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Teal said: So would everyone. But at what cost would you be prepared to pay. Indeed, that is the absolute hard question in all of this. If you stop the country people will die as consequence of that. Even if we took an extreme approach, being an island of purity amongst a sea of poop is no good. If the poop is washing up on every shore then there is only one inevitability and it’s a smelly one. So many comments on this thread based on nothing but emotion, understandable, but no way to run a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 12 hours ago, Retsdon said: OK, if you're happy that the government's response is to tell you to wash your hands, fine. If it were me, I'd be writing to my MP;. I'd be writing to the newspaper, I'd actually be arguing in public forums that the government's response is inadequate, etc, etc. I'd be trying to make my voice heard. If enough people did that.... But you do what you like. I'll predict though, that in in the end the public will be making a noise. Only it'll be too late to do much good. Oh yeah, hadn't thought of that; a sternly written letter, that'll cut it! 😃 I will do what I like, thank you. I'm off up to Kelso for a three day art event, hopefully the people of Scotland have a bit more about them and they'll actually turn up. 👍 Just get on with your life , and perhaps cheer up a tad; you seem to take everything far too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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