Police Action

[amateur]

45 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Should be one UK wide force.

 

9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Scotland, Northern island and England, Wales have different laws. And it didn't work well at all for police Scotland when they changed to one force.

There is a serious suggestion that the BTP, a national police force, could sort it out.

[12gauge82]

48 minutes ago, amateur said:

 

There is a serious suggestion that the BTP, a national police force, could sort it out.

British Transport police (BTP). Police the railways, it operates differently and has totally different policing responsibility to the rest of home office forces.

Edited April 7, 2020 by 12gauge82

[clangerman]

the police got the right idea today if your in a jam on the A30 with your caravan when you get to the front of the jam a police officer will be handing you a large fine lol 

[Yellow Bear]

If you want to see what the country is up against try this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

and then read the comments posted - you will find some of it difficult to believe 

[Vince Green]

9 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

If you want to see what the country is up against try this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

and then read the comments posted - you will find some of it difficult to believe 

Yes unbelievable

[Lord v]

Honestly.... That's better than I expected. 

Greater Manchester is circa 2.5million people. 1132 reported non compliances over 13 days is surprisingly minimal. 

Of course the number should be 0, and there are no excuses for noncompliance. 

Most of the modeling the government is doing assumes 50-75% compliance. 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, clangerman said:

the police got the right idea today if your in a jam on the A30 with your caravan when you get to the front of the jam a police officer will be handing you a large fine lol 

Chief constable of Northamptonshire is talking road blocks, and wait for it... Checking supermarket trolleys, to make sure you're only buying essentials. 

Quite how this would be enforced, and punished, remains to be seen. 

Good job there's no crime to keep the police occupied.. Oh wait... 

[AVB]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Chief constable of Northamptonshire is talking road blocks, and wait for it... Checking supermarket trolleys, to make sure you're only buying essentials. 

Quite how this would be enforced, and punished, remains to be seen. 

Good job there's no crime to keep the police occupied.. Oh wait... 

Apparently Priti Patel has slapped him, and the other Chief Constables who were proposing to check shopping trolleys, down and told them to be sensible. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by AVB

[oldypigeonpopper]

7 minutes ago, AVB said:

Apparently Priti Patel has slapped him, and the other Chief Constables who were proposing to check shopping trolleys, down and told them to be sensible. 

hello, can you imagine that !!!!! to be honest i cannot see any police officer wanting to stand outside Tesco checking trolleys and baskets, what a waste of time and cost

[Mice!]

17 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Chief constable of Northamptonshire is talking road blocks, and wait for it... Checking supermarket trolleys, to make sure you're only buying essentials. 

Quite how this would be enforced, and punished, remains to be seen. 

Good job there's no crime to keep the police occupied.. Oh wait... 

Road blocks, great carry on. 

Only buying essentials? Then the supermarkets shouldn't be selling what's not essential,  the police definitely have better things to be doing. 

And this would be a great time to go and arrest people,  everyone is at home.

[Lord v]

17 minutes ago, AVB said:

Apparently Priti Patel has slapped him, and the other Chief Constables who were proposing to check shopping trolleys, down and told them to be sensible. 

She's gone up in my estimation then. 

[GingerCat]

Only he didn't actually say that at all. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11362413/coronavirus-lockdown-police-trolley-checks-road-blocks/

 

[Yellow Bear]

24 minutes ago, Lord v said:

Honestly.... That's better than I expected. 

Greater Manchester is circa 2.5million people. 1132 reported non compliances over 13 days is surprisingly minimal. 

Of course the number should be 0, and there are no excuses for noncompliance. 

Most of the modeling the government is doing assumes 50-75% compliance. 

Fair enough but did you go on to read the comments - that is the real eye opener

[Jaymo]

4 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Road blocks, great carry on. 

Only buying essentials? Then the supermarkets shouldn't be selling what's not essential,  the police definitely have better things to be doing. 

And this would be a great time to go and arrest people,  everyone is at home.

But what do you classify as essential/non essential?

If they stock it, then sell it as whilst you might not need ‘poster paints’? I do for my children to carry out the homework set by the school etc.

Is a new kettle/ microwave needed? Well it is if you old one has broken and it’s your only means to heat /eat 

Books/ DVD’s, tools - we all need to be occupied during this time or mental health will have a greater lasting impact than this virus will.

 

[Scully]

Just now, Jaymo said:

But what do you classify as essential/non essential?

If they stock it, then sell it as whilst you might not need ‘poster paints’? I do for my children to carry out the homework set by the school etc.

Is a new kettle/ microwave needed? Well it is if you old one has broken and it’s your only means to heat /eat 

Books/ DVD’s, tools - we all need to be occupied during this time or mental health will have a greater lasting impact than this virus will.

 

I can’t think where his brain must have been when he came out with that idiotic remark, certainly not connected to his mouth anyhow. 
Maybe got carried away with a bit of a power rush! 

[GingerCat]

1 minute ago, Jaymo said:

But what do you classify as essential/non essential?

If they stock it, then sell it as whilst you might not need ‘poster paints’? I do for my children to carry out the homework set by the school etc.

Is a new kettle/ microwave needed? Well it is if you old one has broken and it’s your only means to heat /eat 

Books/ DVD’s, tools - we all need to be occupied during this time or mental health will have a greater lasting impact than this virus will.

 

If you read the article he says exactly the same thing and asks the public to toe the line and cops to use a  bit of common sense. No where does he say that he is going to check trolleys or block roads. He also points out the vagueness of the wording of the act. 

[AVB]

8 minutes ago, GingerCat said:

Only he didn't actually say that at all. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11362413/coronavirus-lockdown-police-trolley-checks-road-blocks/

 

Looks like he did. 

 

The officer has threatened to "marshal" supermarkets - including checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see if items are a "necessity".

"We will not, at this stage, be setting up road blocks. We will not, at this stage, start to marshal supermarkets and checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see whether it's a legitimate, necessary item.

"But again, be under no illusion, if people do not heed the warnings and the pleas I'm making today, we will start to do that."

Edited April 9, 2020 by AVB

[GingerCat]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

Looks like he did. 

 

The officer has threatened to "marshal" supermarkets - including checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see if items are a "necessity".

"We will not, at this stage, be setting up road blocks. We will not, at this stage, start to marshal supermarkets and checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see whether it's a legitimate, necessary item.

"But again, be under no illusion, if people do not heed the warnings and the pleas I'm making today, we will start to do that."

So he said "we will not" the caveat being the public all don't go loopy on a bank holiday i presume. Already seen caravans on route to the coast, families, yes whole families of 5 or more, turning up at train stations for holidays by the coast. 

Endless groups having parties and carrying on as if it doesn't apply.  Fishing competion between 6 or so on the beach from limes away.  Bbqs on the beach. Lots of people going to the coast for a holiday/break from 100s of miles away. 

The point he is trying to make is that if the public ignore the situation as many are doing then his force may have to be a little firmer. 

No where does it say "we will" . 

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, clangerman said:

the police got the right idea today if your in a jam on the A30 with your caravan when you get to the front of the jam a police officer will be handing you a large fine lol 

The word from Cornwall is that people are trying to sneak through on the B roads

[AVB]

1 minute ago, GingerCat said:

So he said "we will not" the caveat being the public all don't go loopy on a bank holiday i presume. Already seen caravans on route to the coast, families, yes whole families of 5 or more, turning up at train stations for holidays by the coast. 

Endless groups having parties and carrying on as if it doesn't apply.  Fishing competion between 6 or so on the beach from limes away.  Bbqs on the beach. Lots of people going to the coast for a holiday/break from 100s of miles away. 

The point he is trying to make is that if the public ignore the situation as many are doing then his force may have to be a little firmer. 

No where does it say "we will" . 

So what does “we will start to do that” mean? Yes he has caveated it but is quite clear to me that he is considering checking supermarket trolleys. 

[clangerman]

1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

The word from Cornwall is that people are trying to sneak through on the B roads

anyone with a caravan should have  it seized and crushed just for owning one let alone the lockdown 

[Scully]

2 minutes ago, AVB said:

So what does “we will start to do that” mean? Yes he has caveated it but is quite clear to me that he is considering checking supermarket trolleys. 

I wouldn’t worry unduly; checking of supermarket trollys’ for non essentials won’t be happening. 

[AVB]

Just now, Scully said:

I wouldn’t worry unduly; checking of supermarket trollys’ for non essentials won’t be happening. 

I agree but the madness of many Chief Constables worries me. 

[GingerCat]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

So what does “we will start to do that” mean? Yes he has caveated it but is quite clear to me that he is considering checking supermarket trolleys. 

If things don't improve, and we don't get the compliance we would expect, then the next stage will be road blocks and it will be stopping people to ask why they are going, where they're going.

We will not, at this stage, be setting up road blocks. We will not, at this stage, start to marshal supermarkets and checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see whether it's a legitimate, necessary item.

"This is about reasonableness and if people are not reasonable in terms of the journeys and the trips they are taking, they are going to fall foul of the law.

The cop has urged his police officers to use their "common sense" when it comes to deciding whether to issue a fine or arrest anyone.

He also said government guidance on how to crackdown on those flouting the law "could be even clearer" as it is currently ambiguous.

PCC Adderley added: "The issue about, what is a necessary item, only go out for necessities - what is a necessity?

"If we're stopping somebody because they've bought a barbecue set or they've bought a child's toy, you could argue that's not necessary.

"On the other hand, you could argue it absolutely is necessary - because in terms of the mental health and trying to keep people entertained over this period of lockdown, that is very necessary.

"So the nuances and the interpretation is really ambiguous - that's why I'm saying to officers, use your common sense, use your discretion."

 

Seem pretty clear what he is trying to say.

No where does he tell the boys to get the panzers across the road and turn out peoples shopping. No where does it say that. 

 

[Vince Green]

Just now, clangerman said:

anyone with a caravan should have  it seized and crushed just for owning one let alone the lockdown 

Actually its not so much the caravan owners because the caravan parks have closed in Cornwall. Its the hated second home owners that the "Inbreds" despise with a vengeance anyway and will happily believe any tale of their deviousness without question.