7daysinaweek Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, millrace said: So how does someone who has self isolated and done everything asked of them become immune and/or meet the criteria for a possible card to resume their life.....say for example a 29yr old single mum with asthmatic child who out if fear has stuck to all advice,hasn't worked, has bills coming in and just wants to get back to work to pay her way....no antibodies there to test for ..... They really have got themselves into a pickle and for what ever reason all always ceem to be reactive and comparing to other countries you only have to listen to these press conference every evening to see how unwilling there are to directly ans anything,,,,we have apparently the best scientists but are unable/unwilling to come to our own conclusions,,,in this modern world where information is freely available on the internet they really need to up their game and tell the truth.....is just embarrassing watching them flounder along,,,,for example today's go to phrase....,,,"weve delivered 1 billion items of ppe"....ceems to be their goto phrase when avoiding all questions.... Unfortunately you will not develop antibody response without exposure to the virus directly through close contact which carries risks for some or parental immunization vaccine (injection) of either a attenuated strain of the virus which is a live weakened strain or a inactivated strain of the virus which means the virus has been killed and is given in its dead form. This helps facilitate a safer immune response short and hopefully mid to long term dependent on what you are immunizing against,. This helps your immune system recognize the threat and mobilize a response to the virus by mostly killing/inactivating it. Herding immunity it is reliant on a significant proportion of society being immunized against a common pathogen or have produced antibodies from having had the infection. Having antibodies or being vaccinated allows and helps your immune system to recognize the threat and respond to it by killing or inactivating parts of the pathogen. This lowers the virus ability to move from one person. Herding immunity does not completely remove the risk of contracting the virus or a bacteria it just lowers the contact risk from person to person. That is why immunization of influenza (Flu) for people in at risk groups (asthma, chest and cardiac conditions etc) from infants to adults is important and herding immunity is not solely relied upon as the risk of the pathogen is known to cause a higher significance of impact on health to the individual and society as a whole. We are in uncertain times and it is understandable that many have concerns to a lesser or greater extent. We have not experienced anything like this in modern society and no one has all of the answers, not even the best minds in all the different field and no one can give a absolute definitive outcome short or long term at the present time. Unfortunately we find ourselves in a huge pandemic pathogen evolutionary experiment with this virus as we do not know many of the outcomes yet. Treading carefully day by day, week by week and looking at modeling and science is all we have to go on. I have no doubt that when this is behind us that many questions will be asked. Trying to give a technical answer to a emotional question is never easy! everybody keep safe and responsible, I off for a lager and lime atb 7diaw Edited April 17, 2020 by 7daysinaweek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 I have posted on another thread , there are UK companies advertising they produce , accurate 'fingerprick', Anti-body tests! So ,they should investigated, either, for making false claims, or used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Wonder if it's the same company the government has ordered 3.5million tests with,even tho no company actually has a test proven to work yet,,so how and where and with whom do you place such an order....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 From the website they appear to be the wholesaler / distributor, doesn't look like the likes of you and I can purchase directly. They also state that the test is intended to be used as one of the tools / part of the overall clinical process for determining infection and their claimed reliability supports that: How accurate is the test? We conducted a clinical study in Wuhan, China, where we compared the test cassette to conventional laboratory tests for COVID-19 diagnosis, which also detected the presence of IgG/IgM in 902 blood samples. We obtained the following results: Sensitivity > 91% Specificity > 99% Accuracy > 97% This clinical study is evidence of the usability and effectiveness of the test. Also bear in mind that, as has already been discussed, the conventional test isn't 100% reliable for detecting whether or not the person from whom the sample was taken is infected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Similar tests for influenza have an accuracy of between 50-70%. Influenza tests have been around for a lot longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 There seems to be stuff in the media, about the disproportionate numbers of affro Americans dying in some US states, I noticed it was on our news the other day. Is this just a bump in the figures leading to misinformation and even speculation from some quarters. Or do the PW Massive think it has genuine basis in hard facts. If so is it has some media says its related to the jobs they tend to do in the states / lifestyles etc. Or should be be worried about our own say west Indian people? Is there any uk data on this. One other aspect, in a USA article it mentioned other ethnic groups, could this be why Italy seemed to fair so badly. Why is this happening, and i know some coloured folk have this sycle cell anemia, could this have some impact or totally unrelated.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Jobs is possibly one, is it the same for Hispanics? Most likely similarity will be poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I would imagine culture could play a part with some to, much of the community meeting up in very close quarters for prayers ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I would imagine culture could play a part with some to, much of the community meeting up in very close quarters for prayers ect Yeah, cause dem dere white folk don’t go to no church!!!!!!!!! Think you will find that the church going populace in America is spread across all races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Yeah, cause dem dere white folk don’t go to no church!!!!!!!!! Think you will find that the church going populace in America is spread across all races I think you are right, the States has a strong Christian foundation, unlike us where its very low numbers who go to church. Is it anything to do with the Affro american DNA, as opposed to just environmental/ job relative.? And are we seeing more ethnic death here, i mean proportionately. ? I know london is or was the core of the outbreak, and seen more deaths, and its probably higher ethnic population than other cities. Is it a factor here we just have no data on just now. Any ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Vitamin D.......Darker skin doesn't produce as much Vit D. Vitamin D is supposed to reduce Respiratory tract infections. Edited April 19, 2020 by wyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jaymo said: Yeah, cause dem dere white folk don’t go to no church!!!!!!!!! Think you will find that the church going populace in America is spread across all races I don't know why you need to get so funny about it, I'm sure that has played a part amongst the Christian, Muslim and many other faiths right across the globe, something is causing it due to either genetics, sociological or cultural, because virus aren't racist, unless you want to argue that point? Edited April 19, 2020 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wyn said: Vitamin D.......Darker skin doesn't produce as much Vit D. Vitamin D is supposed to reduce Respiratory tract infections. Vitamin d does that but not sure skin colour would cause that big a difference on vit D WOULD IT ? But it is a fact zink and vit D helps. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) BAME is the term! black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) Edited April 19, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Vitamin d does that but not sure skin colour would cause that big a difference on vit D WOULD IT ? But it is a fact zink and vit D helps. . It is said, that the pigmentations does have an effect on the absorption and hence production, of vit D ( but I’m no scientist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jaymo said: It is said, that the pigmentations does have an effect on the absorption and hence production, of vit D ( but I’m no scientist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, lancer425 said: Vitamin d does that but not sure skin colour would cause that big a difference on vit D WOULD IT ? But it is a fact zink and vit D helps. . Yes it does, especially in the winter months with low light levels. However with the correct diet it makes no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TRINITY said: Yes it does, especially in the winter months with low light levels. However with the correct diet it makes no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Jaymo said: Yeah, cause dem dere white folk don’t go to no church!!!!!!!!! Think you will find that the church going populace in America is spread across all races There was something on the news or something I was watching last week saying that some of minorities may have still been going to religious meetings when they've been told not to, and also may live in bigger family groups which could have an effect. Also about the USA they said a lot of the people from err bame backgrounds dying wouldn't have had the healthiest lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mice! said: Also about the USA they said a lot of the people from err bame backgrounds dying wouldn't have had the healthiest lives. Not just the USA, poverty kills indiscriminately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Non-recovery? That's one thing that's not much talked about. But this article and the link to the Reddit thread has to be a worry. https://www.zerohedge.com/health/young-covid-positive-redditors-describe-agony-symptoms-lasting-nearly-two-months-after This is a weird virus, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I do wonder how many of those people have tested positive. The list of symptoms is so diverse now that pretty much any lingering cold cough allergy condition could be considered symptomatic. I’ve been struggling with hay fever this year, it seems to get me bad every few years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raja Clavata Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Wow, that is long. There are aspects that sound credible but there are also claims that are a bit too far fetched and others that are just plain false. For those that haven't listened to it yet, if you're not really interested in the claims about: 5G RFID trackers in vaccines Vaccines as a way of reducing world population etc. Then can probably skip this without losing any sleep. Among a few other things I do really take issue with the claim that nurses across America have nothing to do, are sat on their hands playing cards and in some cases getting laid off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 hours ago, lancer425 said: Not reputable and far right... Checked here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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