Cummings in the soup?

[Dave-G]

Or maybe there is something going on out of the public gaze that makes it more expedient to allow the current distraction than risk losing the team best suited to carry it through.

Brexit (decision June?) issue is still a very major ball that some are trying to kick into the long grass by breaking team Boris by any means possible - the media being one of them.

[Yellow Bear]

There is an item on the news web page stating that the BBC broke it's own rules on impartiality.   Are the perpetrators going to be sacked for transmitting fake news?   I will not hold my breath.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Yellow Bear

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

There is an item on the news web page stating that the BBC broke it's own rules on impartiality.   Are the perpetrators going to be sacked for transmitting fake news?   I will not hold my breath.

This one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52824508

Edited May 27, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE

[Yellow Bear]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

This one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52824508

Yep,  that's the one, hardly an entertainment and arts issue?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Rather surprised they have only admitted it once!

[SpringDon]

2 hours ago, Retsdon said:

January, with the No Deal Brexit.

Thank goodness I don’t wear glasses anymore. Won’t teachers like you be in a spot of bother though?

[AVB]

1 minute ago, SpringDon said:

Thank goodness I don’t wear glasses anymore. Won’t teachers like you be in a spot of bother though?

They’ll need to find them first. They will be hiding at home. 

[Retsdon]

8 minutes ago, SpringDon said:

Won’t teachers like you be in a spot of bother though?

????

I must be dense.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

An interesting article;

https://commentcentral.co.uk/whos-to-blame-the-media-or-dominic-cummings/

[Mungler]

Everyone should read this to understand just what is going on:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-dominic-cummings-saga-tells-us-about-lockdown

 

[SpringDon]

5 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

????

I must be dense.

Pol pot? Intellectuals? Teachers in the killing fields? Blimey mate, you’re the pol pot enthusiast, you should at least read his manifesto!

[Mighty Ruler]

1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said:

There is an item on the news web page stating that the BBC broke it's own rules on impartiality.   Are the perpetrators going to be sacked for transmitting fake news?   I will not hold my breath.

The BBC has rules on impartiality? You could have fooled me.

[Mungler]

Seriously, the Spectator article encapsulates everything I feel and am thinking right now. Everyone should read it! 

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, AVB said:

They’ll need to find them first. They will be hiding at home. 

👍

48 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Seriously, the Spectator article encapsulates everything I feel and am thinking right now. Everyone should read it! 

So good that it's worth paying for? I suspect it highlights that it really wasn't very well thought out and has been proven as such.

[Danger-Mouse]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

An interesting article;

https://commentcentral.co.uk/whos-to-blame-the-media-or-dominic-cummings/

Good read. 

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

Seriously, the Spectator article encapsulates everything I feel and am thinking right now. Everyone should read it! 

Copy and paste it then!

[AVB]

Also an interesting read and highlights the role that Mark Sedwill is playing. 
 

https://www.fortisestveritas.co.uk/mark-sedwill-vs-dominic-cummings-the-fight-for-brexit/?fbclid=IwAR1wPqFp7OR-jiZ0yHEu-Z7E9k2ROdsCfVQz7-h5SydaUV4FE_wlzfbg0uA

 

[Dave-G]

6 hours ago, AVB said:

Also an interesting read and highlights the role that Mark Sedwill is playing. 
 

https://www.fortisestveritas.co.uk/mark-sedwill-vs-dominic-cummings-the-fight-for-brexit/?fbclid=IwAR1wPqFp7OR-jiZ0yHEu-Z7E9k2ROdsCfVQz7-h5SydaUV4FE_wlzfbg0uA

 

Very informative thank you.

[Vince Green]

He's not elected and he is not actually in public office, (despite what everybody seems to think) so Durham police should just issue him with a £60 and be done with it.

The people making the most noise about this are actually trying to undermine Boris

[oowee]

44 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

He's not elected and he is not actually in public office, (despite what everybody seems to think) so Durham police should just issue him with a £60 and be done with it.

The people making the most noise about this are actually trying to undermine Boris

Then he would be out. 

[Raja Clavata]

8 hours ago, AVB said:

Also an interesting read and highlights the role that Mark Sedwill is playing. 
 

https://www.fortisestveritas.co.uk/mark-sedwill-vs-dominic-cummings-the-fight-for-brexit/?fbclid=IwAR1wPqFp7OR-jiZ0yHEu-Z7E9k2ROdsCfVQz7-h5SydaUV4FE_wlzfbg0uA

 

Doesn't paint a good picture does it, this is akin to corporate shenanigans where infighting effectively means the biggest threat to the corporation is from within and not it's external competitors. If the "board" allow this kind of thing to run for any length of period it becomes very damaging indeed. Let's not naively think everything needs to be hunky dory, a healthy level of tension is highly desirable but when the tension starts to define the default modus operandi of the key players it becomes highly toxic and destructive, rarely ending well.

[lancer425]

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

Then he would be out. 

So you think that would be a good thing RIGHT!. ?

[Raja Clavata]

A summary from a bloke called Russ in Cheshire, on twitter, which is about as unbiased / biased as anything posted on here around this topic.

The week in Tory (Cummings special): 
1. Dominic Cummings, one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament, moved onto contempt for everything 
2. When the story broke, and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked
3. Then ministers said press outrage meant nothing, only the opinion of the people mattered  
4. Then polls showed 52% of people wanted Cummings to resign 
5. So Cummings decided to show the public some respect, by turning up 30 minutes late to make his explanation
6. He began by saying he wasn't speaking for the govt, which must be why he was in the Rose Garden of 10 Downing Street  
7. Then the self-styled "enemy of the Islington media elite" said his wife, who works in the media, had been ill in their house in Islington
8. But she was only a bit ill, so he popped home, got himself nice and infected, then went back to Downing Street for meetings with lots of vitally important people in the middle of a national crisis 
9. But then he got ill too, so then it was suddenly important
10. Sadly he couldn't get childcare in London, even though 3 immediate relatives live within 3 miles of his London home 
11. So because he was carrying a virus that can cross a 2 metre distance and kill, he immediately locked himself in a car with his wife and child for 5 hours
12. He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG 
13. Then the scourge of the metropolitan elites made himself extra-relatable by describing his family's sprawling country estate, multiple houses and idyllic woodlands
14. He explained that he'd warned about a coronavirus years ago in his blog 
15. Then it was revealed he actually secretly amended old blogs after he'd returned from Durham 
16. And anyway, if he'd warned years ago, why was he so massively unprepared and slow to react?
17. Then he said he was too ill to move for a week 
18. But in the middle of that week, presumably with "wonky eyes", he drove his child to hospital 
19. Then he said that to test his "wonky eyes" he put his wife and child in a car and drove 30 miles on public roads
20. Then it was revealed his wife drives, so there was no reason for the "eye test", cos she could have driven them back to London 
21. Then it was revealed the "eye test" trip to a local tourist spot took place on his wife's birthday
22. Then cameras filmed as he threw a cup onto the table, smirked and left 
23. And then it emerged his wife had written an article during the time in Dunham, describing their experience of being in lockdown in London, which you'd definitely do if you weren't hiding anything
24. A govt scientific advisor said "more people will die" as a result of what Cummings had done. 
25. Boris Johnson said he "wouldn't mark Cummings " down for what he'd done.
26. The Attorney General said it was ok to break the law if you were acting on instinct 
27. The Health Minister said it was OK to endanger public health if you meant well
28. Johnson said Cummings' "story rings true" because his own eyesight was fine before coronavirus, but now he needs glasses 
29. But in an interview with The Telegraph 5 years ago, Johnson said he needed glasses cos he was "blind as a bat"
30. Michael Gove went on TV and said it was "wise" to drive 30 miles on public roads with your family in the car to test your eyesight 
31. The DVLA tweeted that you should never, ever do this
32. Then ministers started claiming Cummings had to go to Durham because he feared crowds attacking his home. The streets were empty because we were observing the lockdown. 
33. And then a minister finally resigned
34. Steve Baker, Richard Littlejohn, Isabel Oakeshott, Tim Montgomerie, Jan Moir, Ian Dale, Julia Hartley Brewer, 30 Tory MPs, half a dozen bishops and the actual Daily Mail said Cummings should go 
35. The govt suggested we can ignore them, because they're all left-wingers
36. Then a vicar asked Matt Hancock if other people who had been fined for doing exactly what Cummings did would get their fine dropped. Matt Hancock said he'd suggest it to the govt 
37. The govt said no within an hour. Cummings' statement had lasted longer than that
38. And if the guidelines were so clear, why were people being stopped and fined for driving to find childcare in the first place? 
39. Then a new poll found people who wanted Cummings sacked had risen from 52% to 57% 
40. Cummings is considered the smartest man in the govt
41. And in the middle of all this, in case we take our eye off it: we reached 60,000 deaths. One of the highest per capita death rates worldwide. 
42. We still face Brexit under this lot. 
43. It's 4 years until an election 
44. And it's still only Wednesday
 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

[clangerman]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

A summary from a bloke called Russ in Cheshire, on twitter, which is about as unbiased / biased as anything posted on here around this topic.

The week in Tory (Cummings special): 
1. Dominic Cummings, one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament, moved onto contempt for everything 
2. When the story broke, and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked
3. Then ministers said press outrage meant nothing, only the opinion of the people mattered  
4. Then polls showed 52% of people wanted Cummings to resign 
5. So Cummings decided to show the public some respect, by turning up 30 minutes late to make his explanation
6. He began by saying he wasn't speaking for the govt, which must be why he was in the Rose Garden of 10 Downing Street  
7. Then the self-styled "enemy of the Islington media elite" said his wife, who works in the media, had been ill in their house in Islington
8. But she was only a bit ill, so he popped home, got himself nice and infected, then went back to Downing Street for meetings with lots of vitally important people in the middle of a national crisis 
9. But then he got ill too, so then it was suddenly important
10. Sadly he couldn't get childcare in London, even though 3 immediate relatives live within 3 miles of his London home 
11. So because he was carrying a virus that can cross a 2 metre distance and kill, he immediately locked himself in a car with his wife and child for 5 hours
12. He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG 
13. Then the scourge of the metropolitan elites made himself extra-relatable by describing his family's sprawling country estate, multiple houses and idyllic woodlands
14. He explained that he'd warned about a coronavirus years ago in his blog 
15. Then it was revealed he actually secretly amended old blogs after he'd returned from Durham 
16. And anyway, if he'd warned years ago, why was he so massively unprepared and slow to react?
17. Then he said he was too ill to move for a week 
18. But in the middle of that week, presumably with "wonky eyes", he drove his child to hospital 
19. Then he said that to test his "wonky eyes" he put his wife and child in a car and drove 30 miles on public roads
20. Then it was revealed his wife drives, so there was no reason for the "eye test", cos she could have driven them back to London 
21. Then it was revealed the "eye test" trip to a local tourist spot took place on his wife's birthday
22. Then cameras filmed as he threw a cup onto the table, smirked and left 
23. And then it emerged his wife had written an article during the time in Dunham, describing their experience of being in lockdown in London, which you'd definitely do if you weren't hiding anything
24. A govt scientific advisor said "more people will die" as a result of what Cummings had done. 
25. Boris Johnson said he "wouldn't mark Cummings " down for what he'd done.
26. The Attorney General said it was ok to break the law if you were acting on instinct 
27. The Health Minister said it was OK to endanger public health if you meant well
28. Johnson said Cummings' "story rings true" because his own eyesight was fine before coronavirus, but now he needs glasses 
29. But in an interview with The Telegraph 5 years ago, Johnson said he needed glasses cos he was "blind as a bat"
30. Michael Gove went on TV and said it was "wise" to drive 30 miles on public roads with your family in the car to test your eyesight 
31. The DVLA tweeted that you should never, ever do this
32. Then ministers started claiming Cummings had to go to Durham because he feared crowds attacking his home. The streets were empty because we were observing the lockdown. 
33. And then a minister finally resigned
34. Steve Baker, Richard Littlejohn, Isabel Oakeshott, Tim Montgomerie, Jan Moir, Ian Dale, Julia Hartley Brewer, 30 Tory MPs, half a dozen bishops and the actual Daily Mail said Cummings should go 
35. The govt suggested we can ignore them, because they're all left-wingers
36. Then a vicar asked Matt Hancock if other people who had been fined for doing exactly what Cummings did would get their fine dropped. Matt Hancock said he'd suggest it to the govt 
37. The govt said no within an hour. Cummings' statement had lasted longer than that
38. And if the guidelines were so clear, why were people being stopped and fined for driving to find childcare in the first place? 
39. Then a new poll found people who wanted Cummings sacked had risen from 52% to 57% 
40. Cummings is considered the smartest man in the govt
41. And in the middle of all this, in case we take our eye off it: we reached 60,000 deaths. One of the highest per capita death rates worldwide. 
42. We still face Brexit under this lot. 
43. It's 4 years until an election 
44. And it's still only Wednesday
 

WOW if that don’t make cummings a liar i don’t know what does if i accepted his beano script now i would be embarrassed on a monumental scale 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

He's not elected and he is not actually in public office, (despite what everybody seems to think) so Durham police should just issue him with a £60 and be done with it.

The people making the most noise about this are actually trying to undermine Boris

But what has he done to justify a fine?