Thoughts on a Second Wave! Then a Second Lockdown.

[paul1966]

I live in Leicestershire and leicester looks like it will be the first city to have a localised lock down what ever that is?. I had a message from work yesterday to say one person in the same building where i work has tested positive. I and my family have been abiding by the rules when gooing out shopping and to be honest 95% of the other people we encounter are too, its just the selfish minority again thats the problem.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, paul1966 said:

its just the selfish minority again thats the problem.

Agree, and the UK has a significant sized minority like that.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, paul1966 said:

I live in Leicestershire and leicester looks like it will be the first city to have a localised lock down what ever that is?. I had a message from work yesterday to say one person in the same building where i work has tested positive. I and my family have been abiding by the rules when gooing out shopping and to be honest 95% of the other people we encounter are too, its just the selfish minority again thats the problem.

And always will be unfortunately!

[enfieldspares]

21 hours ago, Bumble said:

I went to Morrisons yesterday to do the big shop, and after 5 mins I abandoned my trolly, walked out & went to Waitrose instead.  There was virtually no attempt at social distancing by an awfully large amount of people in Morrisons, to the point where I had some utter idiot push past & actually make contact while I was waiting for somebody else to move on. It’s the worst shopping experience I’ve had so far, and almost as if the majority of people have completely given up on social distancing. 

Waitrose was the polar opposite, and despite costing me a few quid more, was well worth it for a much safer & more civilised shopping experience. 

Yes. Leicester Fosse Park the Asda just exactly the same when I went two weeks ago. And, yes, I also walked out.

[oowee]

On 26/06/2020 at 18:06, JDog said:

I don’t think so. The very high number of hospital and care home deaths in Scotland have been brushed under the tartan carpet.

Results are looking good for Scotland now with the Sturgeon saying they are almost covid free. Anyone still doubt that the Kipper has got this wrong from the start? 

 

[Mice!]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

Results are looking good for Scotland now with the Sturgeon saying they are almost covid free. Anyone still doubt that the Kipper has got this wrong from the start? 

 

Like I quoted the other day, Scotland have a population of around 4.5 million,  London alone has double that, so it's like chalk and cheese

[Scully]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Results are looking good for Scotland now with the Sturgeon saying they are almost covid free. Anyone still doubt that the Kipper has got this wrong from the start? 

 

😂 Not really sure the two countries are comparable.
Perhaps you need a bigger jumper to hide that chip on your shoulder. 🙂

[oowee]

39 minutes ago, Scully said:

😂 Not really sure the two countries are comparable.
Perhaps you need a bigger jumper to hide that chip on your shoulder. 🙂

Forget your interest in jumpers look at the data. No new deaths in Scotland for three days. Only 9 positive cases on Wednesday 5 on Friday and 3 in last in 24 hrs. 

What is evident is that even those places that went Covid free can easily lapse. NZ is a good example which was Covid free until it gave special permission for two women from the UK to visit, causing 6 more cases. Follow up lock down, track and trace has to be the answer which requires a firm grip rather than the limp wrist from BJ.

Tourists from England 'could face 14-day quarantine in Scotland' if Covid-19 cases flare 

@ The Herald today.

[AVB]

26 minutes ago, oowee said:

Forget your interest in jumpers look at the data. No new deaths in Scotland for three days. Only 9 positive cases on Wednesday 5 on Friday and 3 in last in 24 hrs. 

What is evident is that even those places that went Covid free can easily lapse. NZ is a good example which was Covid free until it gave special permission for two women from the UK to visit, causing 6 more cases. Follow up lock down, track and trace has to be the answer which requires a firm grip rather than the limp wrist from BJ.

Tourists from England 'could face 14-day quarantine in Scotland' if Covid-19 cases flare 

@ The Herald today.

New Zealand and Scotland are very similar in population and, I suspect, visitors. Completely different to a country such as England. Wee Krankie has done very little different to Boris other than killed more in care homes. 

[Scully]

56 minutes ago, oowee said:

Forget your interest in jumpers look at the data. No new deaths in Scotland for three days. Only 9 positive cases on Wednesday 5 on Friday and 3 in last in 24 hrs. 

What is evident is that even those places that went Covid free can easily lapse. NZ is a good example which was Covid free until it gave special permission for two women from the UK to visit, causing 6 more cases. Follow up lock down, track and trace has to be the answer which requires a firm grip rather than the limp wrist from BJ.

Tourists from England 'could face 14-day quarantine in Scotland' if Covid-19 cases flare 

@ The Herald today.

I’m more interested in jumpers than data to be honest; what do you want me to do about it the latter? 
There won’t be a ‘follow up lockdown’, at least not at the levels we’ve already experienced, and it’s too late for track and trace, people are getting ready to go out next weekend; from what I’ve seen the last thing on their minds is track and trace. 
Get yourself a thicker jumper ( or some shoulder pads ) and just get on with your life. It’ll be fine. 🙂

[Mice!]

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Forget your interest in jumpers look at the data. No new deaths in Scotland for three days. Only 9 positive cases on Wednesday 5 on Friday and 3 in last in 24 hrs. 

What is evident is that even those places that went Covid free can easily lapse. NZ is a good example which was Covid free until it gave special permission for two women from the UK to visit, causing 6 more cases. Follow up lock down, track and trace has to be the answer which requires a firm grip rather than the limp wrist from BJ.

Tourists from England 'could face 14-day quarantine in Scotland' if Covid-19 cases flare 

@ The Herald today.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-coronavirus-death-rate-third-worst-world-2880962

Scotland really haven't done well when you consider how small the population is,  but keep banging the drum about how bad Boris is doing. 

[The Heron]

The worst offenders are the ones that should be the most carful the ones over 70 don't seem to have any idea of how contagious this Covid 19 is and carry on with no regard for anyone else's safety. 

[Yellow Bear]

5 minutes ago, The Heron said:

The worst offenders are the ones that should be the most carful the ones over 70 don't seem to have any idea of how contagious this Covid 19 is and carry on with no regard for anyone else's safety. 

Some maybe but in our area it is the other way round with the under 40s (entitled) being the worst offenders barging through even at priority times which whilst they were inconvenient (0800-0900) were being used by the over 65s.

[Danger-Mouse]

Something to look forward to in London and all the other places that had big BLM protests. (This is US data)

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Some maybe but in our area it is the other way round with the under 40s (entitled) being the worst offenders

That is the same round here; the 'olders' have been very cautious, and is the teens who seem particularly bad - then they do have a much lower risk.

[JohnfromUK]

Here's a good example of why a second wave is likely;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8470401/Hundreds-ignore-social-distancing-flock-Birmingham-Youtuber-Canking.html

[das]

3 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

Some maybe but in our area it is the other way round with the under 40s (entitled) being the worst offenders barging through even at priority times which whilst they were inconvenient (0800-0900) were being used by the over 65s.

Yep, seen it all. I'm in the senior group and myself and wife have been careful all through lockdown, done our own shopping around the 6am times with little problem, but, the young ******* who also want to shop in the age restricted time all seem not give a damn about themselves and anybody else.
Problem, the staff controlling the doors have no power to manage this situation and the guy in charge has no balls.

[oowee]

Anyne just watched the panorama special on the testing procedure.  German testing specialist said that if you only test those with symptoms (they represent a small proportion of those infected) then you are always chasing the curve. Everywhere you look be it the testing focus on numbers, the process, the follow up, the tracing, the app, the isolation and the social distancing it's a complete farce.

Lets hope we get lucky. 

[paul1966]

Well thats Leicester locked down for at least another two weeks, just glad i live in the county so not affected hopefully. But whats to stop people traveling from the city to the county to do their non essential shopping, surely its impossible to police.

[Mice!]

21 minutes ago, paul1966 said:

Well thats Leicester locked down for at least another two weeks, just glad i live in the county so not affected hopefully. But whats to stop people traveling from the city to the county to do their non essential shopping, surely its impossible to police.

Or people going in and out to work?

[oowee]

So now the review has started of the lead up to the lockdown. Many of the advisers to the government saying that the data was clear to show cases doubling every day and that a lockdown should have been called at least a week earlier. Half of the deaths could have been avoided and that the approach being taken is at best amateurish.

Track and trace was going to be world class with its own app. Despite being told to talk to the tech giants the advice was ignored. Now we are to adopt the framework of the tech giants. At the earliest this might be available in Autumn. 

All of this from a government following the science. If we have a second lock down in Leicester or anywhere else I can't see as it makes any difference anymore. The Government is not listening to the advice its getting let alone acting on it. Indeed worse that that, when the goverment is told something it does not like it simply ignores or sacks the individual.

 

[Saltings]

under  duress or not )       this is 5 minutes walk from me     https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/number-tesco-staff-coventry-who-18722539    I haven't left the house in four months  as shielding     ok went to the shed and back  many times    as a project type guy              as many others in the area shielding  for different reasons            mrs  and kids  shops in smaller  stores  aldi   lidl   local fruit and veg stores   farmers markets  and   local  butchers   given a short distance away  we support the local    suppliers                  it appears a manager in Tesco's  tested positive knowingly  came to work regardless   at Tesco's under duress or not is un known          now many others infected  16+   not to mention customers  and their families      the government can advise all they want         however local *********  chaves      have illegal raves house party's  from the start of lockdown  police called   four officers to 200 delinquents its a no win situation  the    ******** party   the longer  they do the longer we lockdown   local parcs suffer with dog  **** as a normal      however the amount of human  ****  and  co2  vials is unbelievable      filthy ********  I despair  pick up your **** and go home   leave the countryside cleaner than you found it       sadly I can see us  house bound into the new year and beyond  as shielding while others partayyyyyyyyyyy as it don't care its a parrtayy 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Saltings

[treetree]

All this talk of "offenders", the young are the "worse offenders" the old are the "worse offenders". Get a grip. You are subjecting yourselves to a bunch of rules that are so contradictory, the opposite of what was being said months back. Just think on it; you're "killing old people" if you pop into a shop without a mask, but in a pub its all fine. They are making it up as they go along.

The so called Leicester second wave consisted of 21, yes a mere 21 covid cases spread over 3 hospitals (figures from hospital briefings last weekend).

How long fo you intend putting up with this for?

[AVB]

5 hours ago, treetree said:

All this talk of "offenders", the young are the "worse offenders" the old are the "worse offenders". Get a grip. You are subjecting yourselves to a bunch of rules that are so contradictory, the opposite of what was being said months back. Just think on it; you're "killing old people" if you pop into a shop without a mask, but in a pub its all fine. They are making it up as they go along.

The so called Leicester second wave consisted of 21, yes a mere 21 covid cases spread over 3 hospitals (figures from hospital briefings last weekend).

How long fo you intend putting up with this for?

Not sure about the Leicester figures you quote. These are the numbers for the Leicester region. As you can see rate per population is far above others in the region.

 

• Leicester - 4,734 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 1,332
• Blaby - 510 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 507
• Charnwood - 812 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 444
• Harborough - 387 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 418
• Hinckley and Bosworth - 545 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 484
• Melton - 167 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 326
• North West Leicestershire - 327 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 320
• Oadby and Wigston - 477 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 836

[treetree]

1 hour ago, AVB said:

Not sure about the Leicester figures you quote. These are the numbers for the Leicester region. As you can see rate per population is far above others in the region.

 

• Leicester - 4,734 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 1,332
• Blaby - 510 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 507
• Charnwood - 812 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 444
• Harborough - 387 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 418
• Hinckley and Bosworth - 545 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 484
• Melton - 167 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 326
• North West Leicestershire - 327 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 320
• Oadby and Wigston - 477 total cases. Rate per 100,000 population: 

Interesting figures, but what makes a 'case'? Presumably it is a positive test, but what number of those cases did the individual have no, or mild, or moderate symptoms?

Both mine and your figures can be correct here; the question is whether we are going to continue putting local areas into lockdown when the number of people needing hospital treatment is so small.