Gislane Maxwell F.B.I.

[amateur]

On 07/07/2020 at 21:58, Vince Green said:

You have to be careful about the term age of consent because it doesn't mean quite the same thing in america as it does here. It tends to mean the age at which you can obtain a licence to marry without parental approval.

Some States still allow marriage with parental approval as young as 12, New Hampshire does for example but in the deep south in particular its only fairly recently that anything other than the Federal age of 12 was observed, specially in rural areas..

Even then, the reason for raising the age of consent (marriage) had nothing to do with protecting young girls from sexual predators.   It was because so many teenage marriages resulted  in break ups and kids having to be raised by the State and ending up in crime and addiction. Nothing about Paedos.

Basically in America a rich paedo can do what he likes, rich talks.

If the FBI is going after this now its not about the girls, they have always been expendable

its about the high profile targets they want to bring down because they are on their wanted list. Bring down Clinton and your name will be up there with the likes of Elliot Ness on the wall of fame.for all time.

If you watch the Netflix series on Epstein, there appears to be no doubt that Epstein, with the connivance of Maxwell, was indulging in sexual practices with young  girls,  below the age of consent in the relevant state, however you care to pitch it.

Yes, I accept that the FBI want to gain some political and perhaps royal scalps, but the fundamental is that GM appears to be thoroughly implicated.

[mel b3]

On 08/07/2020 at 09:23, ehb102 said:

Yes. They dress it up as a "kink" and then say you shouldn't "kink shame". They talk about Foucault and queer theory. Do you know what Foucault says? That if a child is raped by an adult it's only the fact that someone calls it "rape" that causes trauma and pain in the child. This is so utterly ridiculous, we know this from the hundreds of thousands of girls who are married too young and suffer their whole lives even though it's considered culturally "normal". It isn't right for humans, and the body knows. It's why we have an age of consent below which you are not considered to have capacity to consent. It's to protect you from grooming, making you think it's what you want when it will actually hurt you.

"Queer theory" is about queering the boundaries and that includes age. You can't have queer theory without paedophilia. 

ive given myself time to think through this again before i reply . id never heard of foucault and queer theory to be honest liz , and i find it hard to grasp to be honest . do people do this openly ?, or is it some kind of secret peadophile thing ?, and if they do is openly do we not have laws to stop them ? . on the subject of maxwell , was she in it for the cash ? , or is she also some kind of sexual deviant . im not sure if a woman being involved is worse , or just even stranger , the instinct to protect children should be even stronger in women than men(yes i know thats my very old fashioned and most probably very wrong way of seeing things). in the past , ive never given these kind of people too much thought , ive always disliked them , but ive never given them much thought , to be honest , i think i was quite happy in my ignorance.

[enfieldspares]

Well I see that the authorities are taking "steps" for fear that Ghislaine Maxwell might kill herself. 

Well let's just hope that she doesn't mysteriously hang herself using those "steps". Or slip on a bar of soap. Or fall from the ninth floor. Or X, Y, or Z.

For those that are too young to understand the reference search on the internet "In Detention" by Chris van Wyk.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/oct/12/christopher-van-wyk-farewell-south-africa-literary-icon

[ditchman]

31 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

ive given myself time to think through this again before i reply . id never heard of foucault and queer theory to be honest liz , and i find it hard to grasp to be honest . do people do this openly ?, or is it some kind of secret peadophile thing ?, and if they do is openly do we not have laws to stop them ? . on the subject of maxwell , was she in it for the cash ? , or is she also some kind of sexual deviant . im not sure if a woman being involved is worse , or just even stranger , the instinct to protect children should be even stronger in women than men(yes i know thats my very old fashioned and most probably very wrong way of seeing things). in the past , ive never given these kind of people too much thought , ive always disliked them , but ive never given them much thought , to be honest , i think i was quite happy in my ignorance.

welcome to tomorrows and yesterdays world today...................

i still think the worst ever case i have heard of ...regards this sort of stuff....is not saville but Sir Ceril Smith.........he was rumbeled...and quietly told to back off...but he continued to fiddle....

how did he get away with it ???..................proberly the same reason as Maxwell.......'cept Maxwell is sill alive at present

Edited July 9, 2020 by ditchman

[southeastpete]

4 hours ago, ditchman said:

welcome to tomorrows and yesterdays world today...................

i still think the worst ever case i have heard of ...regards this sort of stuff....is not saville but Sir Ceril Smith.........he was rumbeled...and quietly told to back off...but he continued to fiddle....

how did he get away with it ???..................proberly the same reason as Maxwell.......'cept Maxwell is sill alive at present

Because those high up in the police and MI5 were involved also. The more you research into this stuff the worse it gets

 

The trouble is, no matter how much people spout about hating paedophiles etc, no one really does anything. Look at when Epstein “killed himself”.... it’s the most laughable fake suicide ever, yet a week or two after and you didn’t hear anything about it. No serious questions ever got answered. 

She will probably wind up dead too: I wouldn’t care except then we won’t find out all the disgusting perverts.

I along with the rest of the population am just left thinking, all I can do is try to protect my daughter and those close to me, but that’s it really. Then all those with neglectful parents, in care, kidnapped etc. those are the ones that get abused. 

In this country they put sexual offenders homes where they ‘rehabilitate’ or stay or whatever close to kids care homes, when I worked for a care home I was at a visit to another one in ramsgate I think it was, and was told of a house 3 doors up! that housed paedos etc. Unbelievable. Then I was told be someone who’d done it a lot longer than me, that it wasn’t even the only one like that in Kent, never mind the whole country!

 

keep your kids safe....

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, southeastpete said:

Look at when Epstein “killed himself”.... it’s the most laughable fake suicide ever, yet a week or two after and you didn’t hear anything about it. No serious questions ever got answered. 

She will probably wind up dead too: I wouldn’t care except then we won’t find out all the disgusting perverts.

 

 

The public hasn't forgotten though. I see "Daily reminder that Epstein didn't kill himself" all the time on various media.

Ghislaine is going to have a tougher job. She has been issued paper clothing and has not been issued any sheets to stop her hangng herself.

[southeastpete]

3 hours ago, Mr_Nobody said:

The public hasn't forgotten though. I see "Daily reminder that Epstein didn't kill himself" all the time on various media.

Ghislaine is going to have a tougher job. She has been issued paper clothing and has not been issued any sheets to stop her hangng herself.

Oh right, you’re in america though right?

And not having anything won’t stop them, I mean her.

I also remembered, it could be a joint most laughable fake suicide along with that guy that shot himself on the head. Twice.

[Vince Green]

5 hours ago, southeastpete said:

Oh right, you’re in america though right?

And not having anything won’t stop them, I mean her.

I also remembered, it could be a joint most laughable fake suicide along with that guy that shot himself on the head. Twice.

It was the same with Maxwell's father

One minute he was sipping cocktails on his private yacht and the next minute he gets all depressed and throws himself overboard????

really??

[Guest]

6 hours ago, southeastpete said:

Oh right, you’re in america though right?

And not having anything won’t stop them, I mean her.

I also remembered, it could be a joint most laughable fake suicide along with that guy that shot himself on the head. Twice.

I think you're mixing me up with NoBodyImportant. Unless they've moved Yorkshire without telling me?

I guess it depends which sites you frequent. I see a lot of Daily reminder memes on 9Gag and I quite often see the phrase in the comments on YouTube.

I'm not ruling it out, but after the fuss over Epstein, albeit brief in duration, I don't see it happening. There has been a lot of suggestions about her going down to Covid though so who knows. I tend to think if they want to be rid of her they're going to have to have some inmate shank her. 

I guess we'll see.

All posted in the last fortnight.

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Mr_Nobody
Added stuff

[SpringDon]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

It was the same with Maxwell's father

One minute he was sipping cocktails on his private yacht and the next minute he gets all depressed and throws himself overboard????

really??

Oh come on, we’ve all been there. Sometimes you’re relaxing, sipping cocktails, gazing at the sea from the deck of your private yacht and you just sigh and think what’s the point.

Happened to me last week.

[ehb102]

On 09/07/2020 at 21:05, mel b3 said:

ive given myself time to think through this again before i reply . id never heard of foucault and queer theory to be honest liz , and i find it hard to grasp to be honest . do people do this openly ?, or is it some kind of secret peadophile thing ?, and if they do is openly do we not have laws to stop them ? . 

Yes, they do it openly, and when they are called on it, we are called transphobic or worse. See Munroe Bergdorf, former NSPCC champion, breaking all child safety guidelines by encouraging children to message him privately? That's why he was fired from the NSPCC. But that didn't get mentioned in any interview, nor did any interviewer challenge him on it. 

Peter Tatchell, PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) sympathiser, defending his friends, not bothering about women and children, refusing to condemn child rape and promoting actions that make children unsafe. 

Amy Challenor, Green Party candidate and Stonewall Trans advisor, was quite happy to have "her" father, David Challenor, child rapist act as her election agent after he was convicted, using his address as the green party base in Coventry. That's the Stonewall board advising schools about removing protective same sex boundaries. If you see "Stonewall" on anything around your school now then red alert. And I used to give them money.

All those men insisting that women are transphobic because they don't want male bodied people with penises undressing in changing rooms in front of their daughters. How is that not paedophilic enabling? Because there are a heck of a lot of men out there who get a kick out of violating women's boundaries, saying you can't throw me out of these women's loos because I'm trans. The argument goes back and forther that these aren't "real" trans, but if you say anyone who says they are a women is a woman, then you can't disqualify these awful men.

And PornHub. Far too easy to find videos of young girls, sometimes really, really young, being raped. Not one, not two, but too many to count, because you can't wade through that site. 

Anything that talks about "underage sex". It isn't "underage sex", it's child rape.

Child sex dolls. The whole point of them is that they look like a child. That's the thrill. And they make pain noises.

It's in plain sight now, and it's getting worse, and every time I speak up about it I get dismissed with some trope about being a fat, ugly feminist who needs a ****. Maybe, but I am  NOT is an apologist for child rapists.

 

[London Best]

Good post girl!

[ditchman]

maxwell is on the front page of one of the newspapers again tomorrow

[mel b3]

1 hour ago, ehb102 said:

Yes, they do it openly, and when they are called on it, we are called transphobic or worse. See Munroe Bergdorf, former NSPCC champion, breaking all child safety guidelines by encouraging children to message him privately? That's why he was fired from the NSPCC. But that didn't get mentioned in any interview, nor did any interviewer challenge him on it. 

Peter Tatchell, PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) sympathiser, defending his friends, not bothering about women and children, refusing to condemn child rape and promoting actions that make children unsafe. 

Amy Challenor, Green Party candidate and Stonewall Trans advisor, was quite happy to have "her" father, David Challenor, child rapist act as her election agent after he was convicted, using his address as the green party base in Coventry. That's the Stonewall board advising schools about removing protective same sex boundaries. If you see "Stonewall" on anything around your school now then red alert. And I used to give them money.

All those men insisting that women are transphobic because they don't want male bodied people with penises undressing in changing rooms in front of their daughters. How is that not paedophilic enabling? Because there are a heck of a lot of men out there who get a kick out of violating women's boundaries, saying you can't throw me out of these women's loos because I'm trans. The argument goes back and forther that these aren't "real" trans, but if you say anyone who says they are a women is a woman, then you can't disqualify these awful men.

And PornHub. Far too easy to find videos of young girls, sometimes really, really young, being raped. Not one, not two, but too many to count, because you can't wade through that site. 

Anything that talks about "underage sex". It isn't "underage sex", it's child rape.

Child sex dolls. The whole point of them is that they look like a child. That's the thrill. And they make pain noises.

It's in plain sight now, and it's getting worse, and every time I speak up about it I get dismissed with some trope about being a fat, ugly feminist who needs a ****. Maybe, but I am  NOT is an apologist for child rapists.

 

Jesus wept, that's just a whole world of mangled stuff to try to understand . I think that some of it is the same type of thing that Zapp explained to me earlier in the thread only with a different name . I'm a bit embarrassed at my lack of knowledge and understanding,  but a bit relieved at the same time ,I think. I'm also a bit embarrassed that I didn't know these things when my kids were growing up , I thought that I was on the ball when it came to protecting them from the Paedophiles of the world  ,  but I'm realising that I actually knew very little .

A few years ago,  I had a very good friend that got sent to prison for being a paedo ,  when he was first arrested i just thought that it was all just a mistake (i just never dreamed that such a nice bloke could be a paedo)  , until one day I realised that he was telling me lies , I didn't know what he was telling lies about , but my instinct told me that he was a liar ,  I told him exactly what I thought , and we never spoke again , it was only when I contacted his wife to tell her of my fears , that I found that they'd already split up , and she told me the full story . My stupidity and naivety still bother me now to be honest.

I have lots of thoughts in my head on the subject , I'll write them down when they've unravelled a bit . At the moment they're just shouting.

[ditchman]

11 hours ago, mel b3 said:

Jesus wept, that's just a whole world of mangled stuff to try to understand . I think that some of it is the same type of thing that Zapp explained to me earlier in the thread only with a different name . I'm a bit embarrassed at my lack of knowledge and understanding,  but a bit relieved at the same time ,I think. I'm also a bit embarrassed that I didn't know these things when my kids were growing up , I thought that I was on the ball when it came to protecting them from the Paedophiles of the world  ,  but I'm realising that I actually knew very little .

A few years ago,  I had a very good friend that got sent to prison for being a paedo ,  when he was first arrested i just thought that it was all just a mistake (i just never dreamed that such a nice bloke could be a paedo)  , until one day I realised that he was telling me lies , I didn't know what he was telling lies about , but my instinct told me that he was a liar ,  I told him exactly what I thought , and we never spoke again , it was only when I contacted his wife to tell her of my fears , that I found that they'd already split up , and she told me the full story . My stupidity and naivety still bother me now to be honest.

I have lots of thoughts in my head on the subject , I'll write them down when they've unravelled a bit . At the moment they're just shouting.

one of the truely sad things as a result of all this peadophile stuff..........is it has altered the way we act with children....i for one will always keep children at distance now and barely talk to them........it has also altered the way i am with my granddaughter .....i wont show any closeness with her unless an adult is present..........

10 or so years ago when i was working on the landrover......a couple of little girls on their scooters used to come an miether me ....and they would tell me they were going to be pop stars and used to sing the latest songs to me and all the moves ......it was so funny and it made me laugh.......they drive down the road in their cars now and wave at me.........

if it were to happen again.......i would make sure i would disapear so it wouldnt happen...such a shame really...............

[islandgun]

12 hours ago, ehb102 said:

Yes, they do it openly, and when they are called on it, we are called transphobic or worse. See Munroe Bergdorf, former NSPCC champion, breaking all child safety guidelines by encouraging children to message him privately? That's why he was fired from the NSPCC. But that didn't get mentioned in any interview, nor did any interviewer challenge him on it. 

Peter Tatchell, PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) sympathiser, defending his friends, not bothering about women and children, refusing to condemn child rape and promoting actions that make children unsafe. 

Amy Challenor, Green Party candidate and Stonewall Trans advisor, was quite happy to have "her" father, David Challenor, child rapist act as her election agent after he was convicted, using his address as the green party base in Coventry. That's the Stonewall board advising schools about removing protective same sex boundaries. If you see "Stonewall" on anything around your school now then red alert. And I used to give them money.

All those men insisting that women are transphobic because they don't want male bodied people with penises undressing in changing rooms in front of their daughters. How is that not paedophilic enabling? Because there are a heck of a lot of men out there who get a kick out of violating women's boundaries, saying you can't throw me out of these women's loos because I'm trans. The argument goes back and forther that these aren't "real" trans, but if you say anyone who says they are a women is a woman, then you can't disqualify these awful men.

And PornHub. Far too easy to find videos of young girls, sometimes really, really young, being raped. Not one, not two, but too many to count, because you can't wade through that site. 

Anything that talks about "underage sex". It isn't "underage sex", it's child rape.

Child sex dolls. The whole point of them is that they look like a child. That's the thrill. And they make pain noises.

It's in plain sight now, and it's getting worse, and every time I speak up about it I get dismissed with some trope about being a fat, ugly feminist who needs a ****. Maybe, but I am  NOT is an apologist for child rapists.

 

Powerful stuff  !!  Thanks for posting

[old'un]

25 minutes ago, ditchman said:

one of the truely sad things as a result of all this peadophile stuff..........is it has altered the way we act with children....i for one will always keep children at distance now and barely talk to them........it has also altered the way i am with my granddaughter .....i wont show any closeness with her unless an adult is present..........

10 or so years ago when i was working on the landrover......a couple of little girls on their scooters used to come an miether me ....and they would tell me they were going to be pop stars and used to sing the latest songs to me and all the moves ......it was so funny and it made me laugh.......they drive down the road in their cars now and wave at me.........

if it were to happen again.......i would make sure i would disapear so it wouldnt happen...such a shame really...............

Yep, strange times, some time ago I was in the supermarket with the wife, she was looking at a coat, I was about 20 feet from her minding the trolley when a young girl of around 5 or 6 years old came past me crying her eyes out and looking very much lost, without thinking I asked her if she was ok, she replied ‘I have lost my mommy, upon that a young woman about 25 appeared from nowhere, gave the child a telling off for wondering away from her, then looked at me and said ‘dirty old man’ I was gobsmacked and lost for words, if ever I am in the same situation again I will just call the wife and let her deal with it, sad times.

[ditchman]

17 minutes ago, old'un said:

Yep, strange times, some time ago I was in the supermarket with the wife, she was looking at a coat, I was about 20 feet from her minding the trolley when a young girl of around 5 or 6 years old came past me crying her eyes out and looking very much lost, without thinking I asked her if she was ok, she replied ‘I have lost my mommy, upon that a young woman about 25 appeared from nowhere, gave the child a telling off for wondering away from her, then looked at me and said ‘dirty old man’ I was gobsmacked and lost for words, if ever I am in the same situation again I will just call the wife and let her deal with it, sad times.

and that is excactly what im talking about.............a loose comment like that in a community and you are totally marked for life.............if that was said to me now....because it is so damaging and would ruin the rest of your life ............i would take legal action against the person who said it...

that is why i steer well clear of any situation .............

[grrclark]

Your post is very interesting @ehb102 I agree with your thoughts on Stonewall and have similar thoughts about Mermaids too.

I had a really interesting chat with guidance teacher at a private school recently and she was saying how they were doing diversity training through Stonewall.  I asked her if she ever had any sort of training that was not from an agenda led campaigning/lobbyist group and why the education system, both private and public, should be so willing to accept the doctrine from an organisation that is extremely partial, but then adopt that into mainstream and supposed impartial education.

Once we got past the inevitable challenge around me asking that question, i.e. was i just asking because i was a homophobe or transphobe, and actually properly started to consider the issue the lightbulb came on for her.

Stonewall in particular have inserted themselves into the machinery of the public office and have become almost the de-facto arbiters of what represents transphobic language, speech or behaviours, yet they sit at extreme end of the spectrum.

I do believe that there is an element of worth in those organisations, there is an inherent degree of prejudice and marginalisation to those that sit outside of conventional norms in society, but there is an alarming level of insidious behaviour and promotion of a false narrative and I find the unchallenging acceptance of that really quite chilling.

[The Heron]

Many years ago I was out with the family and walking home a man on the opposite side of the road collapsed and smashed his head onto the pavement being a qualified first aider I went across the road and started to help him the next thing I know the police are hovering over me asking me why I had hit him it was only the intervention of several witnesses that saved me , from that day my motto has been dont get involved. 

[Medic1281]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

Yep, strange times, some time ago I was in the supermarket with the wife, she was looking at a coat, I was about 20 feet from her minding the trolley when a young girl of around 5 or 6 years old came past me crying her eyes out and looking very much lost, without thinking I asked her if she was ok, she replied ‘I have lost my mommy, upon that a young woman about 25 appeared from nowhere, gave the child a telling off for wondering away from her, then looked at me and said ‘dirty old man’ I was gobsmacked and lost for words, if ever I am in the same situation again I will just call the wife and let her deal with it, sad times.

I had a similar situation in a park, I was there with my 2 yr old, and this slightly older girl had been playing on her own for about 30 minutes. Everyone eventually left the park and it became obvious that this 4-5 year old was on her own. She started to get upset and ran towards the mere. I stopped her and tried to find out who she was and where her family were. But I became very aware of how it looked. So I dialled 999. I thought if anyone challenged me at least I’ll be on the phone reporting it. It was a very strange situation. 

[Guest]

 

[Vince Green]

I would have thought she would have felt safer in prison

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

I would have thought she would have felt safer in prison

not looking for the soap tho

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

I would have thought she would have felt safer in prison

I would imagine she would feel much safer in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.

Her finances are apparently very difficult to track down and it is known she holds multiple passports.