Covid - The new normal?

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

It is the flu so my Doctor tells me, just a particularly nasty one.

That is not the expert view; I quote from this https://www.labnews.co.uk/article/2030503/coronavirus-is-it-just-a-type-of-flu

"Conclusion
COVID-19 is not a type of flu and describing it as such may not have been very helpful during the early stages of the spread of the infection."

It was commonly thought of (and often talked of) as flu, but the 'virologists' regard it as not a type of flu.  Agree with the rest of the post.

[clangerman]

4 minutes ago, FOXHUNTER1 said:

I am already wise , why should taxpayers pay for benefit scroungers kids. The more you give them the more they want , try getting a job.

a wise man once said all on benefits are scroungers maybe a rethink on the wise part? 

[Walker570]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

That is not the expert view; I quote from this https://www.labnews.co.uk/article/2030503/coronavirus-is-it-just-a-type-of-flu

"Conclusion
COVID-19 is not a type of flu and describing it as such may not have been very helpful during the early stages of the spread of the infection."

It was commonly thought of (and often talked of) as flu, but the 'virologists' regard it as not a type of flu.  Agree with the rest of the post.

Had not seen that information and obviously niether had my Doctor. Funny that the term covid relates to all the other outbreaks we have had over the years.  Maybe it is corrrect that this one is man made and an escapee from the laboratory in the Chinese town of origin.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Walker570 said:

Had not seen that information and obviously niether had my Doctor. Funny that the term covid relates to all the other outbreaks we have had over the years.  Maybe it is corrrect that this one is man made and an escapee from the laboratory in the Chinese town of origin.

To be fair to your Doctor, it was a widespread view (widely voiced by some prominent politicians as well) early on that it was very like flu ......... but I think now their scientists have had it under their microscopes (metaphorically, though probably in reality as well!) - it is a different thing.  I think had it been basically a variation on flu, a vaccine might have been a lot easier.  The key outcome is that flu 'drugs' like the vaccines and tamiflu/existing antivirals are not effective against Covid, which increases the risks of severe illness.

[Walker570]

Yes, even more reason to believe it is man made.  President Trump seems to know it is and his 'advisors' would also know for sure.  I am leaning sharply to that belief.

[FOXHUNTER1]

4 minutes ago, clangerman said:

a wise man once said all on benefits are scroungers maybe a rethink on the wise part? 

Read my post again,  I never said all on benefits are scroungers there are obviously genuine cases. I am talking about the generational types who have never worked before and have no intention of doing so. You know the type that live on council estates 🤣

[mel b3]

47 minutes ago, FOXHUNTER1 said:

Read my post again,  I never said all on benefits are scroungers there are obviously genuine cases. I am talking about the generational types who have never worked before and have no intention of doing so. You know the type that live on council estates 🤣

Stop baiting him , it's not funny . Well ok it is a little bit funny , but you still shouldn't be doing it.😊

[FOXHUNTER1]

8 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

Stop baiting him , it's not funny . Well ok it is a little bit funny , but you still shouldn't be doing it.😊

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[toontastic]

1 hour ago, FOXHUNTER1 said:

Read my post again,  I never said all on benefits are scroungers there are obviously genuine cases. I am talking about the generational types who have never worked before and have no intention of doing so. You know the type that live on council estates 🤣

You cheeky ******, I live on a council estate. But I know the type of people you refer to. I left school in 1982 and know people I went to school with who have never worked. They now have kids/grandkids and they just live of the the state as well. 

[FOXHUNTER1]

17 minutes ago, toontastic said:

You cheeky ******, I live on a council estate. But I know the type of people you refer to. I left school in 1982 and know people I went to school with who have never worked. They now have kids/grandkids and they just live of the the state as well. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣 yep that's the sort I mean , nothing against  folks who work for a living. Dont work , never worked yet have Sky TV , I phone , a car , drink and smoke. Something is fundamentally wrong .

[clangerman]

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

Stop baiting him , it's not funny . Well ok it is a little bit funny , but you still shouldn't be doing it.😊

you spoilt it now he was really happy fishing away lol 

[team tractor]

2 hours ago, FOXHUNTER1 said:

 

What has that got to do with anything , old enough to be cynical young lad 😁

 

Because most people with that attitude tend to be young . I met loads of lads in their 20’s saying I’d rather die at 40 and happy but most are 40 now and regretting drugs /lifestyle etc. 

[enfieldspares]

This, covid, is an economic war against the West by Communist China and they have so far, won. The deaths of an "acceptable" (to Xi Jingping) large number of their own people is mere collateral damage on a easily manageable basis to the Communist Chinese dictatorship with its state having a population of billions. It is about time that politicians woke up to this and to create jobs in making that product here (and to pay for covid) imposed 100% tariffs on all Chinese imports.

Edited November 1, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Walker570]

1 minute ago, enfieldspares said:

This, covid, is an economic war against the West by Communist China and they have so far, won. It is about time that politicians woke up to this and to create jobs in making that product here (and to pay for covid) imposed 100% tariffs on all Chinese imports.

As I said above I do believe you are not far from the truth. However there were reports that the security at the laboratory was pathetic as was the equipment within. One reporter said he had better refrigeration in his kitchen. So it could easily have been careless handling which is as bad if not worse.  Anyway the horse has bolted and we now have to live with it..  

[enfieldspares]

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This, covid, is an economic war against the West by Communist China and they have so far, won. The deaths of an "acceptable" (to Xi Jingping) large number of their own people is mere collateral damage on a easily manageable basis to the Communist Chinese dictatorship with its state having a population of billions. It is about time that politicians woke up to this and to create jobs in making that product here (and to pay for covid) imposed 100% tariffs on all Chinese imports.

And they, the dictators of the Peoples' Republic of China, have won in spades far, far beyond their expectations

Edited November 1, 2020 by enfieldspares

[oowee]

24 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

And they, the dictators of the Peoples' Republic of China, have won in spades far, far beyond their expectations

Hardly. The economic impact on China is worse by far. They need huge growth to keep the people in check.

[ordnance]

3 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

This, covid, is an economic war against the West by Communist China and they have so far, won. The deaths of an "acceptable" (to Xi Jingping) large number of their own people is mere collateral damage on a easily manageable basis to the Communist Chinese dictatorship with its state having a population of billions. It is about time that politicians woke up to this and to create jobs in making that product here (and to pay for covid) imposed 100% tariffs on all Chinese imports.

What evidence do you have for that. ?

[johnphilip]

18 hours ago, oowee said:

Hardly. The economic impact on China is worse by far. They need huge growth to keep the people in check.

The winner is the ones who bounce back first 

[JohnfromUK]

The countries that have got 'through' this quickly and with low infection rates (leading to low deaths) fall into two main categories;

1. Those who had an early implemented very tight, aggressive (to a degree MUCH tougher than in the western world) and strictly enforced trace/isolate/quarantine/border closures; China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Greece and a few others
2. Those that closed borders very early and locked down very hard in localised outbreaks (and often have low population densities); Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, and to an extent Canada

Those countries have a quite high degree in normality back (internally), but still keep a very active watch and rigorous border quarantining.

At the other end of the scale;

Those that did badly were late to lockdown (so the virus was widespread before lockdown), didn't lockdown much, released lockdown early and kept borders open with much international movement (which gave multiple imports of infection);

1. UK, USA who locked down very late, have huge international passenger footfall, poorly implemented track and trace and lockdowns rather weak, little enforcement and much ignored.
2. Brazil where there was no lockdown
3. Italy, Spain, France with again very high international passenger footfall, and quite slow to lockdown.

There are various articles (links below) on who has done well/badly, but the messages are clear;

• Rapid, tough and rigorously enforced track and trace with isolate for positives works
• Ignoring early signs and trying half heartedly to play catch up has poor consequences

Links

https://time.com/5851633/best-global-responses-covid-19/

https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-and-worst-covid-responses/

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The horse has bolted and the stable door is swinging in the breeze!

[Guest cookoff013]

ok, tin hats on guys..

 

is there clear evidence that the reduction in spirograph use and increased covid 19 infection rates is a correlation? 

 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, cookoff013 said:

ok, tin hats on guys..

is there clear evidence that the reduction in spirograph use and increased covid 19 infection rates is a correlation? 

You make in interesting point!

[AVB]

24 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

The countries that have got 'through' this quickly and with low infection rates (leading to low deaths) fall into two main categories;

1. Those who had an early implemented very tight, aggressive (to a degree MUCH tougher than in the western world) and strictly enforced trace/isolate/quarantine/border closures; China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Greece and a few others
2. Those that closed borders very early and locked down very hard in localised outbreaks (and often have low population densities); Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, and to an extent Canada

Those countries have a quite high degree in normality back (internally), but still keep a very active watch and rigorous border quarantining.

At the other end of the scale;

Those that did badly were late to lockdown (so the virus was widespread before lockdown), didn't lockdown much, released lockdown early and kept borders open with much international movement (which gave multiple imports of infection);

1. UK, USA who locked down very late, have huge international passenger footfall, poorly implemented track and trace and lockdowns rather weak, little enforcement and much ignored.
2. Brazil where there was no lockdown
3. Italy, Spain, France with again very high international passenger footfall, and quite slow to lockdown.

There are various articles (links below) on who has done well/badly, but the messages are clear;

• Rapid, tough and rigorously enforced track and trace with isolate for positives works
• Ignoring early signs and trying half heartedly to play catch up has poor consequences

Links

https://time.com/5851633/best-global-responses-covid-19/

https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-and-worst-covid-responses/

Good summary. 
 

the outlier imo is Japan - high population density, didn’t have strict lockdown, didn’t close borders, ageing population yet still relatively low deaths. 

[Guest cookoff013]

you know me TC..

need quality data. if i take that as direct correlation, i may have found the cure. more spirograph needed.

 

sadly there are people still out there who dont believe in covid 19 and think its a hoax.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The chap that came to survey for the new boiler was an adamant dis believer, I have his number and in a slow spell at work, might just ring him to discuss.

As far as the trials of vaccines have gone, what harm would it do to get people playing with plastic serrated discs and make pretty pictures, it could save the world.