Corona Virus was in Italy in September 2019

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Or.. she could just be a fruit loop that thinks everyone who doesnt follow the rules TO THE LETTER,  is going to spread covid particles round like a veritable crop duster!
DESPITE masks, social distancing, and most of the adult populace being vaccinated ?

And if you think people like that dont exist, I can assure you they do.

Its actually better than that, they put the WHO in charge of finding out where it came from, who waited a year before starting the investigation, and of course thats got nothing to do with the fact they are BFFs with China 🤭

Does anyone really still believe that the true origins of the disease came from a market with exotic animals ?
With an outcome that just happens to closely follow the plot of a 2011 film?

Spot on, it's funny how certain people despise Russia and China when they have some ultra woke agenda, but swallow China's explanation with no questions at all when they start a global pandemic. I really struggle to understand some peoples logic. 

[Scully]

28 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

It’s good that there are two sides to every perspective 

given that you have been in and out of more people’s houses than you can recall 

it was the right thing for the lady to do 

we will all view the pandemic in our own way based upon our own health conditions age and probably finances 

having a vacation doesn’t stop you catching or carrying the virus 

I was 61 when the pandemic came into being, I’ll be 63 this July and have worked throughout, so I’m not exactly in the first flush of youth. 
I have done everything expected of me throughout, and was wearing a mask and observing social distancing ( as was she ) when she and I met in the shop. We were at least 2 metres apart when she decided to over react by crashing into the chiller. Like I said, if she’s vulnerable or not ready then she should stay at home. I really haven’t got the time nor patience for this ridiculous kind of mentality anymore. 
You’re right, having the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of the virus, all it does is give you an increased chance of surviving it without the need of hospitalisation. That’s the best we can hope for at present. If that isn’t good enough for some then stay at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives. 

[udderlyoffroad]

43 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

it was the right thing for the lady to do 

 

4 minutes ago, Scully said:

We were at least 2 metres apart when she decided to over react by crashing into the chiller.

😂 Well OF's comment didn't age well!

The only reason I'm still wearing a mask is I'm too British and polite and don't want to cause a scene.   I look like a sex offender enough already, without drawing attention to myself and my un-muzzled mug.

Annnnyway.

Even if you buy the Chinese deliberately released it theory - and "this happened in a movie" isn't an argument - what now? 

Ok they can develop viruses and cripple economies, but the world is wising up.  The idea of using it as some kind of leverage, a la cold war or MAD would require actually disclosing you developed it?  Just making money doesn't make sense either, too much risk from "friendly fire" for all but the most suicidal of Oligarchs. 

At the moment, it's about as much use as Israel's nuclear weapons programme.  Everyone knows they have one, they won't admit to it, and unless they've found a way to cheat the inverse square law, they probably can't use them without massively harming themselves.

 

 

[TRINITY]

Going back to people who had covid like symptoms in late 2019. My wife and myself both in our 60's had something that really knocked us backwards for several days in Jan 2020 and we had just returned from Spain.  Many of the symptoms ticked the covid boxes. I had it the worst and it dragged on for ages. I eventually managed to get a test but never got a result as the sample got lost in the system. 

A month or two later, and out of curiosity I paid for a private antibody test and the results came back negative.  So whatever we suffered was not covid ,but it showed there was something else quite nasty going around at the same time. By the way we had both had our flu jabs that year.

[Walker570]

Excellent article in the Telegraph today ..... Scared to go out?  The rise of Covid anxiety syndrome.  ......

.... shadow of the virus ....  residual fear....

plus a small side article by  a chartered psychologist on the rise of the Germaphobe.  She says germaphobia has resulted after instructions to wash and santise hands and not touch door handles etc etc etc., when a careful study suggests very little chance of transmission from doing so, this has driven the weak minded into Germophobia.

See them every day.  At least one newspaper is reporting it as it is.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Walker570

[Mice!]

6 hours ago, Scully said:

and was met by a woman who recoiled into the cold storage cabinet like I’d physically assaulted her! I just stood there exasperated and apologised

Where you still wearing the filthy mask you were proud of that you've had on for the last year?

Might well be that the lady had no choice but nip the shops and who knows maybe you startled her?

6 hours ago, Scully said:

I’m at the stage now where I’ll take things off shelves, read the label and then put them back, just to **** off people. I’ve had enough. 

So your almost 63 but acting like a child?

That woman might have had health concerns and been terrified by what the media has been saying,  if my only hardship is having to wear a mask and follow a one way system in a shop then I'd consider myself lucky.

I popped in the local gun shop last week, an old boy was in there not wearing a mask buying a rifle,  he's the first person I've seen actually wearing a lanyard,  everyone else was wearing a mask,  simple.

[Pangolin]

"So your almost 63 but acting like a child?"

Id say that the people the people terrified by the media are the ones who are more child like, cant think for themselves.

[Rewulf]

35 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

The only reason I'm still wearing a mask is I'm too British and polite and don't want to cause a scene.

+1

35 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Even if you buy the Chinese deliberately released it theory - and "this happened in a movie" isn't an argument - what now? 

No its not an argument, but the 'what now' aspect is important.
If we cant establish an origin, what do we have , a random event , an accident, or a deliberate event ?
The problem is to more or lesser degrees, there is nothing to stop it happening again.

IF its deliberate, and this doesnt automatically mean the Chinese are to blame, what if a few years down the line , we have a reasonable level of normality back, debts on their way to be paid , then BANG ! heres covid 23 ect, or something completely different, maybe deadlier...?
Its like knowing theirs a murderer on the loose, and not bothering to look for him/her because they stop killing for a while.

44 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Ok they can develop viruses and cripple economies, but the world is wising up.

Is it , if as some say ,China is responsible in some shape or form, where is the world response ?
China has made money off the back of this, all those people sat at home in lockdowns, ordering random China origin products through boredom ?

 

46 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

At the moment, it's about as much use as Israel's nuclear weapons programme.  Everyone knows they have one, they won't admit to it, and unless they've found a way to cheat the inverse square law, they probably can't use them without massively harming themselves.

Israels Nukes do exactly what they are supposed to do, provide a suitable deterrent to any of its enemies using any kind of WMD on the homeland.
Plus you just know they would use them if this happened.

 

12 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Where you still wearing the filthy mask you were proud of that you've had on for the last year?

Might well be that the lady had no choice but nip the shops and who knows maybe you startled her?

 

12 minutes ago, Mice! said:

So your almost 63 but acting like a child?

Is that a covid shaming ? 

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Where you still wearing the filthy mask you were proud of that you've had on for the last year?

I doubt it, the elastic things tend to snap fairly regularly, but there again it could have been. I have masks in my vehicle, in various jackets and pushed into the back pocket of my trousers, so who knows how old it was? What difference does it make? I have masks i use at work which haven't had the filters changed in years. 🤷‍♂️

Might well be that the lady had no choice but nip the shops and who knows maybe you startled her? I certainly startled her! But like I said, if she is startled by other people shopping then perhaps home would be a better option for her. 

So your almost 63 but acting like a child? I've certainly never gone along with the 'if you pick it up then you have to buy it' mentality. Ridiculous mind set.  If its childish then so be it; I enjoy pricking peoples pomposity and won't be losing sleep over it. 

That woman might have had health concerns and been terrified by what the media has been saying, Then she should stay at home.  if my only hardship is having to wear a mask and follow a one way system in a shop then I'd consider myself lucky. I was wearing a mask and as said, took a two or three steps back to pick something off the shelf. The lady and me weren't even close to each other. There are staff stacking shelves in that shop, people just walk past them. It's not rocket science.  

I popped in the local gun shop last week, an old boy was in there not wearing a mask buying a rifle,  he's the first person I've seen actually wearing a lanyard,  everyone else was wearing a mask,  simple. Your point being?  I wear masks in shops too. I also pick up shotguns in gunshops and have a look at them, just like everyone else. Are we then expected to buy them because we've picked them up, or are we not allowed to pick them up at all? Mate tries a gun, hands it to me, I try it and hand it back to mate, who then tries it again before handing it back to RFD. Come on, please. 

 

[mel b3]

gentlemen.

it really isnt right to laugh at people that are scared . we might not agree with the reasons that theyre scared , but that still doesnt make it right to mock them . 

many of us have no real fear of covid , especially now that things are getting back to normal (new normal) , but many people are still scared for their life , and in some cases their fear was(and still might be) justified , and they had very good reasons to be scared . would we laugh at a cancer patient that was scared of losing their life ? , covid killed many people faster than cancer , would we laugh at someone that thought that they might be having a heart attack or stroke  ?.

please just spare a thought for those that arent yet as comfortable as the rest of us with the whole covid business , and try to be tolerant of their fears .

[Mice!]

37 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Israels Nukes do exactly what they are supposed to do, provide a suitable deterrent to any of its enemies using any kind of WMD on the homeland.
Plus you just know they would use them if this happened.

That's the only reason anyone has nukes, and power stations. 

38 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Is that a covid shaming ? 

It's a question,  early on in the first lockdown my mother in law didn't want to go the shops because young people were deliberately messing in the shops, not wearing masks, not following the one way system and found scaring the older shoppers funny.

[Scully]

I’m not mocking anyone, but I won’t pander to hysterics, finger waggers and those who tut either. If folk are too vulnerable to be out then they should stay at home. 
OH has two friends who are very vulnerable for various reasons, but they go into Sainsburys each week to shop. They wear their masks and do everything they ought to, but they’re rational and don’t dive into display cabinets to avoid people. 

[oscarsdad]

China only today in the social media channel of the communist party have mocked India for their Covid situation - a disgusting regime of little commies and the sooner the world stands up to them and puts them back in their place the better. 

[henry d]

And a quick check says it was a post from a site linked to the communist party and was quickly removed however Chinese President Xi Jinping sent a message of condolence to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi the day before. I'm sure someone is going away for re education for a while.

[Mice!]

34 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

gentlemen.

it really isnt right to laugh at people that are scared . we might not agree with the reasons that theyre scared , but that still doesnt make it right to mock them . 

many of us have no real fear of covid , especially now that things are getting back to normal (new normal) , but many people are still scared for their life , and in some cases their fear was(and still might be) justified , and they had very good reasons to be scared . would we laugh at a cancer patient that was scared of losing their life ? , covid killed many people faster than cancer , would we laugh at someone that thought that they might be having a heart attack or stroke  ?.

please just spare a thought for those that arent yet as comfortable as the rest of us with the whole covid business , and try to be tolerant of their fears .

Well said. The woman in question might have been perfectly healthy but cares for someone we just don't know.

41 minutes ago, Scully said:

 

I haven't worn a mask long enough to have the elastic snap,  if someone is wearing a mask that's dirty then the chances are it's old and pointless. 

I had my first jab today and they made me take my mask off, use hand sanitizer and put on a new mask provided by them, it didn't fit as well, but they know it's not been worn all week.

As for the gun shop, you could have worn gloves or used hand sanitiser,  probably not necessary,  but what would you have done if the shop had insisted on it?

[Dave-G]

43 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

gentlemen.

it really isnt right to laugh at people that are scared . we might not agree with the reasons that theyre scared , but that still doesnt make it right to mock them . 

many of us have no real fear of covid , especially now that things are getting back to normal (new normal) , but many people are still scared for their life , and in some cases their fear was(and still might be) justified , and they had very good reasons to be scared . would we laugh at a cancer patient that was scared of losing their life ? , covid killed many people faster than cancer , would we laugh at someone that thought that they might be having a heart attack or stroke  ?.

please just spare a thought for those that arent yet as comfortable as the rest of us with the whole covid business , and try to be tolerant of their fears .

Agreed, there are many people with lung diseases and narrowed arteries etc that simply feel a need to protect themselves where practical, given many of the issues are around breathing and blood thickening/clotting.

[mel b3]

5 minutes ago, Scully said:

I’m not mocking anyone, but I won’t pander to hysterics, finger waggers and those who tut either. If folk are too vulnerable to be out then they should stay at home. 
OH has two friends who are very vulnerable for various reasons, but they go into Sainsburys each week to shop. They wear their masks and do everything they ought to, but they’re rational and don’t dive into display cabinets to avoid people. 

i wasnt having a dig mate  . i was just pointing out that some folks are still really scared , and that we should all be as tolerant as possible .

i completely agree that the risks are much lower now , and still dropping rapidly , but , weve all been bombarded with so much media hype(some needed , and some utter drivel) , that its no wonder that lots of people are still scared , and might not behave in what we might see as a normal way. 

my main introduction to covid was at work . we were all called into the conference room(rubbing shoulders with each other) ,  and told that , 80% of you will get covid , but we dont know how many of you will die .  this was information fed to us directly from government , and im sure i wasnt the only one sitting in that room thinking oh xxxx . 

 

[Scully]

Just now, Mice! said:

Well said. The woman in question might have been perfectly healthy but cares for someone we just don't know.

I haven't worn a mask long enough to have the elastic snap,  if someone is wearing a mask that's dirty then the chances are it's old and pointless. 

I had my first jab today and they made me take my mask off, use hand sanitizer and put on a new mask provided by them, it didn't fit as well, but they know it's not been worn all week.

As for the gun shop, you could have worn gloves or used hand sanitiser,  probably not necessary,  but what would you have done if the shop had insisted on it?

The elastic on masks can snap on first wearing, it’s not tough material. OH snapped one of hers by catching it in a hair clip. It’s easy to do. 🤷‍♂️
Why does wearing an old mask render it useless? 
Like you say regarding the gunshop, it isn’t necessary, but we were wearing masks and had sanitised our hands on entering, no different to any other shops. Why would we wear gloves if we’ve used the sanitiser? 

[Mice!]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

Why does wearing an old mask render it useless

We were told the disposable masks are good for 8hrs use, after that bin them,  if they're old and dirty then they won't work properly. Also supposed to carefully put them in a plastic bag between wearing but I doubt many have done that. 

We had a demo on this, I kid you not.

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

Why would we wear gloves if we’ve used the sanitiser? 

I said gloves or sanitiser,  some people don't like using the sanitiser,  I'm sure lots of people will have skin problems from it, it might even damage a guns stock?

[udderlyoffroad]

50 minutes ago, Mice! said:

but what would you have done if the shop had insisted on it?

Walked out and not given them my business

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

it really isnt right to laugh at people that are scared . we might not agree with the reasons that theyre scared , but that still doesnt make it right to mock them . 

many of us have no real fear of covid , especially now that things are getting back to normal (new normal) , but many people are still scared for their life , and in some cases their fear was(and still might be) justified , and they had very good reasons to be scared . would we laugh at a cancer patient that was scared of losing their life ? , covid killed many people faster than cancer , would we laugh at someone that thought that they might be having a heart attack or stroke  ?.

please just spare a thought for those that arent yet as comfortable as the rest of us with the whole covid business , and try to be tolerant of their fears .

Total false equivalence with your cancer arguement - SAGE is minuted as saying they're trying scare the population into compliance.  If people are scared, it's because that has been part of a deliberate strategy.

There haven't been increasingly hysterical government ad campaigns telling us how dangerous cancer is.  If anything the opposite, there have in the past been campaigns to try to convince the populus that a cancer diagnosis isn't necessarily a death sentence (the shameful suspension of NHS cancer services during the pandemic nothwithstanding).

And who, exactly, is mocking these poor suggestible unfortunates?

Back on topic, you might as well ask Roger Daltry of the Who for where 'Rona originated.  You'll get a more truthful answer than the WHO.

 

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Israels Nukes do exactly what they are supposed to do, provide a suitable deterrent to any of its enemies

Not if you don't admit to their existence you don't

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

if someone is wearing a mask that's dirty then the chances are it's old and pointless.

Was that the sound of the penny dropping I heard?

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

ot if you don't admit to their existence you don't

Every sheikh and his camel know they have them, but by denying they have them means they dont have to be part of any nuclear control treaties or inspections.

And because they are Airstrip one for the US  world police force, they're allowed to get away with it.

[Scully]

50 minutes ago, Mice! said:

We were told the disposable masks are good for 8hrs use, after that bin them,  if they're old and dirty then they won't work properly. Also supposed to carefully put them in a plastic bag between wearing but I doubt many have done that. 

We had a demo on this, I kid you not.

I said gloves or sanitiser,  some people don't like using the sanitiser,  I'm sure lots of people will have skin problems from it, it might even damage a guns stock?

You were told eh? Try blowing out a match through your mask, whether it’s old or new. At about 12 inches you can’t blow it out, but at about 3 or 4 it’s possible. It applies whether your mask is new or old. 
So what happens to the gloves? Do you sanitise the gloves or just bin them? If you bin them, at what point? Much better practise to just wash your hands. 

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Was that the sound of the penny dropping I heard?

What that people wearing dirty masks couldn't care less about covid, no I've known that for ages.

2 hours ago, Scully said:

You were told eh? Try blowing out a match through your mask, whether it’s old or new. At about 12 inches you can’t blow it out, but at about 3 or 4 it’s possible. It applies whether your mask is new or old. 
So what happens to the gloves? Do you sanitise the gloves or just bin them? If you bin them, at what point? Much better practise to just wash your hands. 

If your mask is dirty then its contaminated,  so your putting something dirty on and expecting it to work as a new clean one would, it won't. 

Do you ever wear a veil when out shooting? Amazes me how damp they get after a couple of hours in a hide.

When I said about gloves or sanitiser I meant at the gun shop, I doubt there is a sink available for you to use, but I'd agree washing your hands is the best thing to do, it's just not always available. 

[Walker570]

This is all getting to be a load of big round bouncy things.  Get a life.

[Scully]

10 minutes ago, Mice! said:

What that people wearing dirty masks couldn't care less about covid, no I've known that for ages.

If your mask is dirty then its contaminated,  so your putting something dirty on and expecting it to work as a new clean one would, it won't. 

Do you ever wear a veil when out shooting? Amazes me how damp they get after a couple of hours in a hide.

When I said about gloves or sanitiser I meant at the gun shop, I doubt there is a sink available for you to use, but I'd agree washing your hands is the best thing to do, it's just not always available. 

Oh please! If you’ve got Covid you’re contaminated anyhow, makes no difference if your mask is new or old! 
Just how precisely does a used mask offer you or anyone else any more or any less protection than a new one? You’re not contaminating anyone unless you’re sharing the thing! 
Yes, snoods, veils and masks all get wet with use. So what is your point? 
Most gunshops nowadays have toilets or coffee making facilities, including sinks. If not then just sanitise. It really is very simple, why people insist on making things harder for themselves I have no idea. 🤷‍♂️