222mark Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Evening all. Sure this has been discussed before but what is the police procedure fore testing airguns for the legal limit? Do they take a mean average of say five or ten shots or base it on a single shot out of a number of shots going over the limit. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Do the Police test airguns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 No, they send them off to forensic science labs for a Firearms ballistic expert to test, or they did in my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinting shot Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 they use different weight pellets to see if the tool is legal or not over a stringof shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 The law also states that if your gun can be easily adjusted to be over 12 fpe then you can be convicted .(what constitutes easily adjusted is up for debate ,but suffice to say if they WANT to convict you then any gun can be adjusted .a gun Smith may be able to do it easily compared to a novice owner .so again debatable) but removing anti tampers plugs and just winding in and out a hammer screw would definitely fall into easy .imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) It would be virtually impossible for the Police to prosecute you (or the CPS to be pedantic) for having an Airgun that can be easily adjusted as long as you have not modified it to make it so. For example some Chinese Air Pistols simply require you to remove the grip to access the required mechanism, but who would determine how easy an individual finds it to remove the grip? I have met quite a few people back in my engineering days who don't even know which way a screw turns or how to use a screwdriver. In nearly 50 years of using Air Rifles I have never met anybody that has had their gun taken away for testing, not saying they are not out there, but the Police are far to busy to concentrate on anything that is not virtually guaranteed to get a conviction, having a "friend" that works in the control room I have first hand knowledge of many shooting related incidents that are never even investigated as a matter of policy. Edited August 19, 2021 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Have you ever noticed in the news that when some one gets injured or worse then it's found that the air gun was actually over the limit and was a fire arm .? I'd bet that in most cases the air gun was a normal sub 12 doing around 11.5 fpe .but the police "managed " to find it could do 12 fpe plus .and hence ramp up the potential conviction. The exception to this would probably be spring guns as it requires a lot more taking apart and alteration than a pcp . Suffice to say that if you mess about and act the idiot- then the police when called, if looking for a conviction may find your sub 12 a fac . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Mind you, a decent solicitor should be able to argue that if the police managed to remove the end cap with a screwdriver and "easily adjust" your rifle over the limit, they tampered with the evidence making it inadmissable. It's a bit like the police trying to prosecute a shotgun owner with a Sect. 2 certificate purely because it is easy to cut the top off a cartridge and replace the shot with a single lump of lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinty1 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 The Policing and Crime Act 2017i inserts a new section 57(1B) in the Firearms Act 1968 to define the lethality by reference to the kinetic energy level with which it can discharge a bullet, shot or missile, as measured at the muzzle of the weapon. Consequently, the 1968 Act now defines a "lethal barrelled weapon" as a "barrelled weapon of any description from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than one joule as measured at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinty1 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 There is an exception to the above for airsoft guns, were the limits are 2.5 joules for single shot and 1.3 joules for auto fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz25 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Easy converted? that's most guns out there, a springer can go over just with a bit of oil in the wrong place, seems like a very wide net type of law I guess that was the point.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 You would have to be doing something stupid to have your gun tested in the first place I had the police turn up on two permission and not once did they say my gun needed to be tested , but I did nothing wrong in the first place . In fact they asked if they could have a go , as they never seen a airgun like it and that was HW100K, they loved it , but who wouldn’t. Funny thing they didn’t have permission to shoot on the land 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Has anyone in the history of Pigeon Watch actually had one tested by the police? And it doesn't count knowing a mates friend who had a dog bred by a bloke that had his checked!!😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz25 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 I have been around air guns for 40 years and turbo has a point never know of one to have been tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 You don't need to cut the top off a shotgun cartridge to make it fire a single load of lead, it can be done far more easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted August 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Thanks for all the input. I think it's like the man above said though. The police have far more important things to concentrate on . Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Sooo what your all saying is its not a big deal having our air guns over 12fp, not sure this is a good thing to be airing on here but what do I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, steve s×s said: Sooo what your all saying is its not a big deal having our air guns over 12fp, not sure this is a good thing to be airing on here but what do I know No one said that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, sportsbob said: No one said that at all. For every action there's a reaction 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz25 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 I think we all care for are sport, and to give it a good reputation and future we agree to comply, it's hard to gauge the character of a man via a forum but I don't think any here would be wanting to go beyond the law and the level set by law in the main is good enough for most of the sports pursuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Thats a good point . Thing is .just being over the 12 fpe limit by a small amount is absolutely a waste of time .so running a gun at 13 fpe won't give you any significant advantage over a 11.5 fpe one .and as such .the difference between 11.8 and 10.8 fpe is next to zero . Much better to run your gun with a nice safe margin and be happy in the knowledge that if the worst did happen you should be well within the law . To my mind the advantage of trajectory comes at and above 15 fpe in .177 24 fpe in .22 35 fpe in .25 Depending on pellet choice obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 m mate was out shooting years ago.the police saw him took his pellet gun and had it tested, it came back ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, mossy835 said: m mate was out shooting years ago.the police saw him took his pellet gun and had it tested, it came back ok. On what grounds can the cops confiscate an airgun? Surely they need to suspect a crime and have grounds to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 The more who say 10.5-10.8 is fine then the police will push for this . and there is a difference between 10.5 & 11.5 fpe for definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 No they won't. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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