Jim Neal Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: Check out this. gasoline, glass bottles and that armor is burning https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdSQap4q/ What impresses me the most about that is the coordination and accuracy of the many cocktail throwers - they got it bang on! Unfortunately if the video had continued for another 20 seconds we'd see the petrol soon burn off and there will be no harm done to the tank other than a bit of cosmetic difference. Good morale-boosting propaganda for the Ukrainians though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 41 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: What impresses me the most about that is the coordination and accuracy of the many cocktail throwers - they got it bang on! Unfortunately if the video had continued for another 20 seconds we'd see the petrol soon burn off and there will be no harm done to the tank other than a bit of cosmetic difference. Good morale-boosting propaganda for the Ukrainians though If petrol gets in the engine bay and starts burning then you don't want to be that tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim Neal said: What impresses me the most about that is the coordination and accuracy of the many cocktail throwers - they got it bang on! Unfortunately if the video had continued for another 20 seconds we'd see the petrol soon burn off and there will be no harm done to the tank other than a bit of cosmetic difference. Good morale-boosting propaganda for the Ukrainians though This was in the gulf war, one of the AVRE centurions had broken down and was being towed by another when it caught fire, they tried to disconnect but had to run for it as the flames caught hold, the tanks went up ,they were fully bombed up. It's thought that some fuel from a cooking stove on the back of the vehicle had fallen over and dripped onto the hot exhaust, the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim Neal said: What impresses me the most about that is the coordination and accuracy of the many cocktail throwers - they got it bang on! Unfortunately if the video had continued for another 20 seconds we'd see the petrol soon burn off and there will be no harm done to the tank other than a bit of cosmetic difference. Good morale-boosting propaganda for the Ukrainians though I assume the Russians are not just deploying in main battle tanks, so petrol bombs as we call them here could do some damage to other military vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, welsh1 said: This was in the gulf war, one of the AVRE centurions had broken down and was being towed by another when it caught fire, they tried to disconnect but had to run for it as the flames caught hold, the tanks went up ,they were fully bombed up. It's thought that some fuel from a cooking stove on the back of the vehicle had fallen over and dripped onto the hot exhaust, the rest is history. Wow, that's a bit of an Achilles' Heel 😦 explosive projectiles bounce off them but they get wiped out by a stove 🤔 It will be interesting to see if there's any reliable info as to whether the petrol bombs have indeed disabled any of the Russian armour. 9 minutes ago, ordnance said: I assume the Russians are not just deploying in main battle tanks, so petrol bombs as we call them here could do some damage to other military vehicles. It looked quite tanky to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim Neal said: What impresses me the most about that is the coordination and accuracy of the many cocktail throwers - they got it bang on! Unfortunately if the video had continued for another 20 seconds we'd see the petrol soon burn off and there will be no harm done to the tank other than a bit of cosmetic difference. Good morale-boosting propaganda for the Ukrainians though There’s loads of videos on Reddit. Several tanks, ATV’s and trucks appear to have been burned out. The civilians aren’t just hitting them with 1 Molotov. Trucks and vehicles being hit from multiple angles with 10+ Molotov’s at once. Civilians capturing Russian spy’s and soldiers who get cut off. They aren’t standing for it! A big group of Chechnian troops soon to arrive in Kiev. Troops well feared for war crimes, rapes, executing civilians etc. Seems the Russian troops just keep flowing in, whilst the Ukrainian’s are slowly beaten down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: Wow, that's a bit of an Achilles' Heel 😦 explosive projectiles bounce off them but they get wiped out by a stove 🤔 It will be interesting to see if there's any reliable info as to whether the petrol bombs have indeed disabled any of the Russian armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Nothing changes, the soft spot, weak point will always be the best target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Nothing changes, the soft spot, weak point will always be the best target. Very true If you can’t see, you can’t drive also applies-paint/lasers etc are said to also bring multi million dollar tanks to a standstill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 I can't see how anyone can see any justification for tearing a population apart like this. The populations of these countries are very intertwined and a lot speak the same language even though previous wars have put families into different countries. I'm sure that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that aren't being mentioned like jamming of Russian communications between units and their controllers. How many special forces are there advising local commanders and providing them with positional and technical assistance. One of the worst thing that the Russians can do is to turn buildings into rubble from which street fighting and a guerrilla warfare can and will take a high toll of life. No doubt the military observers will be taking notes of tactics and how effective the weapons are as killing machines. The news hounds are a bit of a joke. There was Clive Myrie on top of a building with a woman nearly soiling themselves at the threatning fighting in the background which just appeared to be miles away like a distant thunderstorm . They had to retreat into the basement with the children. It ain't exactly kate addie stuff with bullets zinging past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 You always knew there was going to be trouble the minute you saw Kate Adie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Minky said: I can't see how anyone can see any justification for tearing a population apart like this. Not sure there is ANY justification. Putin is a loony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, London Best said: You always knew there was going to be trouble the minute you saw Kate Adie! As in opposition to Ross Kemp. He'd leg it over the horizon, pronto at the popping of a crisp bag.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 You missed the prefix....DANGEROUS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not sure there is ANY justification. Putin is a loony! Both err inside and myself said in harmony today.... "What's happened to Putin.? His face looks all fat round and flabby.?" It was when he was telling his generals to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not sure there is ANY justification. Putin is a loony! VERY before that as well 1 minute ago, Walker570 said: VERY before that as well A specialist interviewed suggested that he would be crazy enough to release a low grade emiision nuclear weapon just to scare everyone, even if he actually fired this into the far reaches of Siberia...his own country. Now that is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Jaymo said: Very true If you can’t see, you can’t drive If a cocktail hits the intake or any gap, the vapours go up too, so being able to see becomes void, you're cooking inside an oven of a tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just been reading some plum announcing it is all the fault of BREXIT. Apparently his theory is that Putin decided the west was divided! GORDON BENNETT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not sure there is ANY justification. Putin is a loony! 40 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not sure there is ANY justification. Putin is a loony! True, but the Ukrainian government was in the wrong also. Playing Devils Advocate Here: They undermined their own constitution to discriminate against ethnic Russians. They went as far as banning Russian language in government and schools even against the 1996 constitution. From 2014-2018 schools above 5grade were banned from speaking Russian, courtrooms, even driving test were administered in Ukrainian. The Ukrainian made life so miserable for the ethnic Russians they voted to leave. Then the Ukrainian government attacked them and bomb their cities. You have to remember that these Russians aren’t immigrates. How would you feel if England was giving to France in the break up of the EU. And French was the new language. Your school in your 99% English speaking town can only teach in French, the court in your English speaking town would be held in French, you had to take driving test in French. Then you vote to leave, so France starts bombing your towns? That being said I really don’t like Putin so screw him. Edited February 27, 2022 by NoBodyImportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 It all makes our firearms laws a complete joke. On the box last night there was a convoy of lorries stack loaded up with boxes like coffins of brand new Kalashnikovs wrapped in what looked like rust resistant brown paper and LOTS of ammunition. There you go boys, and girls, roll up take a weapons and a few cans of cartridges. Anyone got a wheelbarrow. .? and away you go to kill. It is a bit ironic for Russian soldiers to be killed by a Russian weapon designed to fight for Russia against an invading army. When their invading another country. AND the wooden boxes can double up as body bits containers.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Again just playing both sides: both sides are in the wrong. The best option is Russia retreats and Donetsk and Luhansk get their independence that they have been fighting the Ukraine for. Ukraine brutal treatment of ethnic Russians comes to a end, and Russia leaves the Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 It is begining to get a race to get contributions of weapons, ammunition and explosives into the field. At some point there will be more guns and ammo than people to use them. And no paperwork anywhere. What's that you say sonny. Oh, you've only got ten thousand rounds in your shed, you'd better have another truck load. Back the truck up to his shed boys. And not a word from kwis about badgers or toxic lead fallout or pollution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Minky said: It is begining to get a race to get contributions of weapons, ammunition and explosives into the field. At some point there will be more guns and ammo than people to use them. And no paperwork anywhere. What's that you say sonny. Oh, you've only got ten thousand rounds in your shed, you'd better have another truck load. Back the truck up to his shed boys. And not a word from kwis about badgers or toxic lead fallout or pollution. Yeah I this point the west is just giving weapons to Russia probably. But I wish the Ukrainians the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: They undermined their own constitution to discriminate against ethnic Russians. They went as far as banning Russian language in government and schools even against the 1996 constitution. From 2014-2018 schools above 5grade were banned from speaking Russian, courtrooms, even driving test were administered in Ukrainian. The Ukrainian made life so miserable for the ethnic Russians they voted to leave. Then the Ukrainian government attacked them and bomb their cities. You have to remember that these Russians aren’t immigrates. I'm not sure how true, or at least widespread this is. I'm not saying it's not true, just hard to get the real facts as an outsider. The current Ukrainian president is a native Russian speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: Yeah I this point the west is just giving weapons to Russia probably. But I wish the Ukrainians the best. Nah they are in it for the long term. Just got to get the stuff through the wilderness. I hope they make it I just sent a donation through to the embassy in Kiev (Using swift ). Just seen on satelite (if its real) a 3 mile long RU convoy on the road to Kiev. ☹️ Edited February 27, 2022 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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