ditchman Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 35 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: They are good speeches - but did she write them? They are reasonably well delivered, but not exceptionally so - it being quite clear she is reading at times. I am not 'anti' her - indeed, I don't have a favourite - but I'm not convinced she has anything more than the ability to deliver a pre-written (by the speech writers) reasonably well. Of course it is quite possible to have a PM who is just very good at bringing together a great team of Cabinet colleagues and civil service mandarins who 'get the job done' and simply being the 'chairman' .......... but I don't believe the backing material is there either at present. The Cabinet potential candidates are a squabbling rabble who can't agree with each other; the Civil Service ignores the word 'service' and seems both broken, and continuously 'leaking' against the political 'masters'. And on top of that, the Opposition have singularly failed to make much capital from the governments quagmire because they are also hopelessly divided and still have many of their internal party processes controlled by the Corbynand Momentum supporting 'left' members of the NEC and the Union barons who still have a BIG say in the party machine because of the way the party is set up and run by what is almost a separate party to the Parliamentary party. think you have got it.........she certainly has got it..BUT BUT......all of them need more experience to develope into a statesman (credible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rem260 said: So which party would that be ? This lot has lied repeatedly, been prosecuted, made a hash of the economy, has the highest level of tax in history, elevated waiting times in the NHS, ambulance service which is broken, teachers leaving education in droves, an ineffective immigration policy (if there even is one), an incomplete and unfulfilled brexit, a shortage of labour, gdp falling behind competitors, strikes in the courts in transport. I think you need to ask yourself if this is what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 STOP PRESS............sunak and truss have pulled out of to-nites debate............do you rekon they have done a deal with each other ? "you make me PM and i will make you depty PM"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, oowee said: Surely we deserve something better than this? Yes we do, but sadly it's not going to happen anytime soon. 3 hours ago, Mice! said: It does look like it will be a matter of the best of a poor bunch. When is it not. Edited July 18, 2022 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: They are reasonably well delivered, but not exceptionally so - it being quite clear she is reading at times You can see her turning the pages, and she won't have written it because it doesn't flow, so she wasn't just referring to notes, and it was delivered in a very empty house, with next to no interruption, which while it makes a change didn't break up her delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, ditchman said: STOP PRESS............sunak and truss have pulled out of to-nites debate............do you rekon they have done a deal with each other ? "you make me PM and i will make you depty PM"..... So there will now be no debate. Maybe they did a deal, maybe they were told to button it but either way that removes further public scrutiny from the process by, unfortunately, most likely the two candidates that will head off against each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: So there will now be no debate. Maybe they did a deal, maybe they were told to button it but either way that removes further public scrutiny from the process by, unfortunately, most likely the two candidates that will head off against each other. From what was said at dinner, they would likely have just carried being petty so not helped their campaigns, probably advised to pull out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 What is the point of these debates? Half a dozen adults slagging each other off and trying to ridicule one another. Why? It’s not as if we get a vote anyhow? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 Just now, Scully said: It’s not as if we get a vote anyhow? I think the idea is that you could write to your MP who (if he is a Tory) could potentially be swayed by your feelings to cast his vote. It is all so tenuous that it would never happen. Of course if your MP was Labour or one of the trivial parties, they don't get a vote anyway ........ More likely truth is that it is cheap broadcasting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think the idea is that you could write to your MP who (if he is a Tory) could potentially be swayed by your feelings to cast his vote. It is all so tenuous that it would never happen. Of course if your MP was Labour or one of the trivial parties, they don't get a vote anyway ........ More likely truth is that it is cheap broadcasting! More than likely your second paragraph I would think. It matters not to me really; I can’t recall ever having watched one unless Farage was involved, possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Scully said: What is the point of these debates? Half a dozen adults slagging each other off and trying to ridicule one another. Why? It’s not as if we get a vote anyhow? 🤷♂️ 👍 Seems to me that there is a link between the MP's the public voted for and the PM. It should be the MP's of the ruling party that vote for the next PM. That would at least have an air of democracy to it. Push out the union and member influence straight away and put patronage at arms lengh. Edited July 18, 2022 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, oowee said: 👍 Seems to me that there is a link between the MP's the public voted for and the PM. It should be the MP's of the ruling party that vote for the next PM. That would at least have an air of democracy to it. Push out the union and member influence straight away and put patronage at arms lenght. Isn't that fairly close to how the Tory process works? MPs select two (who are presumably both reasonably acceptable to the MPs) ....... then let the party members choose the final winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Just now, JohnfromUK said: Isn't that fairly close to how the Tory process works? MPs select two (who are presumably both reasonably acceptable to the MPs) ....... then let the party members choose the final winner. Yep a Hobsons choice presented as being democratic. I notice today every candidate has committed to the insanity on Nett Zero, god help us. Edited July 18, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 35 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think the idea is that you could write to your MP who (if he is a Tory) could potentially be swayed by your feelings to cast his vote. It is all so tenuous that it would never happen. Of course if your MP was Labour or one of the trivial parties, they don't get a vote anyway ........ More likely truth is that it is cheap broadcasting! writing to your MP is a waste of ink and paper 21 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Yep a Hobsons choice presented as being democratic. I notice today every candidate has committed to the insanity on Nett Zero, god help us. we will end up with a unity candidate........they ought to remember.... you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time............every thing will be the same old same old.....wishy washy tinker at the edges thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 29 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Isn't that fairly close to how the Tory process works? MPs select two (who are presumably both reasonably acceptable to the MPs) ....... then let the party members choose the final winner. Well at least that's a good start well above expectations. Not sure how it fits with cuts in fuel duty. Then we can start to tax goods proportionate to net zero progress. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 Gordon Bennett, round and round in circles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gordon Bennett, round and round in circles! thats polotics for you...........if the circles were ever decreasing they would at least wind up somewhere.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Hello, I see Tom T has been voted out, ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Leaves two white females with two others ... Wondering how woke it could be. Edited July 19, 2022 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 The black female candidate is about as anti-woke as you can get... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The black female candidate is about as anti-woke as you can get... Alegedly - however if you or I had said/done some of the things they are reportedly to have said/done the world of "Wokedom" would be falling on our heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 dont trust Truss one bit.....she has changed her spots several times.......i think she would take us closer to the EU thro apathy.......she is in it for herself...like sunak.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 19 hours ago, oowee said: This lot has lied repeatedly, been prosecuted, made a hash of the economy, has the highest level of tax in history, elevated waiting times in the NHS, ambulance service which is broken, teachers leaving education in droves, an ineffective immigration policy (if there even is one), an incomplete and unfulfilled brexit, a shortage of labour, gdp falling behind competitors, strikes in the courts in transport. I think you need to ask yourself if this is what you want. I'll repeat the question differently in case you didn't understand it. "Which party would be better?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rem260 said: I'll repeat the question differently in case you didn't understand it. "Which party would be better?" I repeat in case you missed it. I think you need to ask yourself if this is what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 From what I am seeing there looks to be a large swing towards Kemi in the public and certain elements of the popular streaming media - that are always implied to be guilty of "ism's" Not worth a penny though if MP's don't put her through though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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