New firearms legislation incoming ?

[Rewulf]

Its not often I agree with Callum off English shooting , but regarding the pitiful response to this consultation, he has it bang on.

I can only imagine the equally poor response to the lead proposals....

 

[Poor Shot]

I saw the video yesterday and it seems a fair analysis of what is to come.

While the poor response is disappointing I must say that I didn't see the consultation advertised anywhere.

I'm a member of BASC, CPSA, active on both Pigeon watch and Hunting life forums and follow 5+ shooting and fieldsports related groups on Facebook. Not once did I see any mention of the consultation. Unless this predates my entrance into shooting and fieldsports about 18 months ago.

If there's one thing that the organisations (listed above) need to do better, and admittedly I have seen a lot of BASC emails lately, is advertise these consultations better. They both have a massive membership they can email and letter bomb, a huge social media presence and an advertising budget. With a consultation as important as this we shouldn't have been able look at anything fieldsports related and not see this advertised.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Poor Shot

[enfieldspares]

Callum from English Shooting. Except of course he doesn't as he had his "ticket" pulled and revoked. 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Callum from English Shooting. Except of course he doesn't as he had his "ticket" pulled and revoked. 

Pretty sure he got his ticket back ?

Dont quote me , but it was his YT channel that got them revoked I believe ?

20 minutes ago, Poor Shot said:

If there's one thing that the organisations (listed above) need to do better, and admittedly I have seen a lot of BASC emails lately, is advertise these consultations better. They both have a massive membership they can email and letter bomb, a huge social media presence and an advertising budget. With a consultation as important as this we shouldn't have been able look at anything fieldsports related and not see this advertised.

Spot on 

[Scully]

28 minutes ago, Poor Shot said:

I saw the video yesterday and it seems a fair analysis of what is to come.

While the poor response is disappointing I must say that I didn't see the consultation advertised anywhere.

I'm a member of BASC, CPSA, active on both Pigeon watch and Hunting life forums and follow 5+ shooting and fieldsports related groups on Facebook. Not once did I see any mention of the consultation. Unless this predates my entrance into shooting and fieldsports about 18 months ago.

If there's one thing that the organisations (listed above) need to do better, and admittedly I have seen a lot of BASC emails lately, is advertise these consultations better. They both have a massive membership they can email and letter bomb, a huge social media presence and an advertising budget. With a consultation as important as this we shouldn't have been able look at anything fieldsports related and not see this advertised.

I’m afraid that even in the scarce moments BASC has been pro-active, and asked for the help of shooters to help themselves, the response of UK shooters has been worse than poor. 
Following the shootings by Bird in Cockermouth some years ago, when we were faced with what was possibly the biggest threat to field sports shooting yet ( simply because of the sporting firearms used ) if I recall correctly, less than 2% of UK shooters responded when asked to do so. 
It’s ok folk banging on about useless organisations ( and I’m guilty of that ) but when the participants themselves can’t be bothered, then we only have ourselves to blame. 

[ShootingEgg]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

I’m afraid that even in the scarce moments BASC has been pro-active, and asked for the help of shooters to help themselves, the response of UK shooters has been worse than poor. 
Following the shootings by Bird in Cockermouth some years ago, when we were faced with what was possibly the biggest threat to field sports shooting yet ( simply because of the sporting firearms used ) if I recall correctly, less than 2% of UK shooters responded when asked to do so. 
It’s ok folk banging on about useless organisations ( and I’m guilty of that ) but when the participants themselves can’t be bothered, then we only have ourselves to blame. 

Well said. As a group of people the shooting fraternity are good at ignoring and hope it goes away... Which is the worst thing to do..

[JKD]

Here's a link to another proposal,,,,

 

[oowee]

Good post. I did respond to the consultation which I guess i got from PW or BASC? 

We wait and see what materialises. 

[Centrepin]

The problem with Callum is he takes an hour or more to say 5 minutes of information. 

There are more active antis than there are shooters who respond.

Same as the lead ban on fishing in the late 70s/early 80s. No response till too late and no backing from other organisations. 

Hunters and shooters were asked to join with fishermen to back the fight against lead. It was pointed out that a ban in fishing would inevitably lead to a ban in shooting. Its took a time to happen yet it has. Eventually all lead shot will be banned. Still no response from over 90% of active participants. 

What will the antis target next? Whatever it is, they will triumph as there are just too many active and willing to stand up and shout.

[enfieldspares]

43 minutes ago, Centrepin said:

 

Hunters and shooters were asked to join with fishermen to back the fight against lead. It was pointed out that a ban in fishing would inevitably lead to a ban in shooting. Its took a time to happen yet it has. Eventually all lead shot will be banned. Still no response from over 90% of active participants. 

 

Yes. This 100%. I remember the lead fishing shot ban and also thought why the float fisher with his six or seven lead shot was "captured" by this when a single ounce of English #7 fired over the same water at a single teal spat out three hundred and forty of the things!

[Conor O'Gorman]

4 hours ago, Poor Shot said:

I saw the video yesterday and it seems a fair analysis of what is to come.

While the poor response is disappointing I must say that I didn't see the consultation advertised anywhere.

I'm a member of BASC, CPSA, active on both Pigeon watch and Hunting life forums and follow 5+ shooting and fieldsports related groups on Facebook. Not once did I see any mention of the consultation. Unless this predates my entrance into shooting and fieldsports about 18 months ago.

If there's one thing that the organisations (listed above) need to do better, and admittedly I have seen a lot of BASC emails lately, is advertise these consultations better. They both have a massive membership they can email and letter bomb, a huge social media presence and an advertising budget. With a consultation as important as this we shouldn't have been able look at anything fieldsports related and not see this advertised.

BASC communicated widely about the consultation (with a dedicated successful campaign against the airgun age restriction proposals) and with guidance on responding via its weekly emails 'BASC Live', via sporting press, via social media, including a post on PigeonWatch here:

BASC's response to the outcome of the consultation is here (also communicated via social media and the weekly 'BASC Live' email):

https://basc.org.uk/government-rejects-airgun-age-restriction-proposal/

https://basc.org.uk/its-not-just-a-victory-for-shooting/

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by Conor O'Gorman

[Poor Shot]

41 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

BASC communicated widely about the consultation (with a dedicated successful campaign against the airgun age restriction proposals) and with guidance on responding via its weekly emails 'BASC Live', via sporting press, via social media, including a post on PigeonWatch here:

BASC's response to the outcome of the consultation is here (also communicated via social media and the weekly 'BASC Live' email):

https://basc.org.uk/government-rejects-airgun-age-restriction-proposal/

https://basc.org.uk/its-not-just-a-victory-for-shooting/

 

Thanks Conor for the reply. I'm glad that you are able to correct me. Seems BASC were doing the right thing.

I didn't get my certificate until summer 2021 so I wasn't really active on the forums (put shooting on the back burner to alleviate the pain of a 12 month application process) but I did have a BASC membership in place and I cannot see that I was a part of the email communications regarding that consultation. Only recently have I been receiving the newsletter and member discount monthly emails for whatever reason.

[HantsRob]

23 hours ago, Poor Shot said:

While the poor response is disappointing I must say that I didn't see the consultation advertised anywhere.

 

I posted a link and I think someone else reposted the link.

The problem is if you don't come for a few days and it's not on the front page, how many people go through pages of posts to read everything?

Easily missed.

[wymberley]

Add your voice to the Value of Shooting

• please take part today!

This thread to date looks like being another resounding PW/shooting success story.

EDIT: Just spotted Scully - that's 2 now - we're roaring away.

Edited September 2, 2022 by wymberley

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Wymberley, what about all those Members that may well have completed the survey and didn't crow about it?    

[muncher]

I did it. 

[Conor O'Gorman]

23 hours ago, Poor Shot said:

Thanks Conor for the reply. I'm glad that you are able to correct me. Seems BASC were doing the right thing.

I didn't get my certificate until summer 2021 so I wasn't really active on the forums (put shooting on the back burner to alleviate the pain of a 12 month application process) but I did have a BASC membership in place and I cannot see that I was a part of the email communications regarding that consultation. Only recently have I been receiving the newsletter and member discount monthly emails for whatever reason.

No worries @Poor Shot, and thanks for clarifying, we will have a few campaigns coming up that we will be covering in the BASC Live weekly email and it sounds like you will be active on that, for which many thanks in advance!

For anyone not aware of this - BASC Live is a weekly email from BASC every Wednesday with latest updates and calls to action for everyone that shoots. BASC members and non-members can sign up using the link below:

https://basc.org.uk/basc-live/

[bostonmick]

i have tried twice now to do the value of shooting survey but get 3/4s of the way through then it freezes.so gave up in the end its not always apathy on the part of the shooter.

[bostonmick]

22 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

No worries @Poor Shot, and thanks for clarifying, we will have a few campaigns coming up that we will be covering in the BASC Live weekly email and it sounds like you will be active on that, for which many thanks in advance!

For anyone not aware of this - BASC Live is a weekly email from BASC every Wednesday with latest updates and calls to action for everyone that shoots. BASC members and non-members can sign up using the link below:

https://basc.org.uk/basc-live/

while i have no problem in signing onto any petitions or surveys basc or others put out to try and defend our sport but basc and the others need to do more than just keep asking for signatures. they have all sat back and let to many things slide by for years.the courts are there for all to use the medical farce should have been taken up by them at very least.and now it looks like lead is going to be gone by 2025 and they are leading the charge by all accounts.