Brexit again

[Scully]

21 hours ago, owain said:

Well, I would imagine that they are not going to sell their produce at a loss. So we either import more, and pay more for it that way. Or support our local farmers, which I’m told brexit is all about, and pay them more to cover the costs that were previously covered by EU grants. 

What I’m trying to say is that farmers don’t always have a choice; outside influences beyond their control govern what they will be paid for a product. 
Due to the farce that was ‘mad cow disease’ my BIL was once paid 50p each for four heifers. 
Farming isn’t regarded anymore as an ‘essential service’ according to some farmers I know, and a mate of mine says he doesn’t mind the single payment being   scrapped as long as they are paid what the product is worth, but as everything has risen significantly in cost to the producer ( farmers ) as you point out, that would shove up costs to the end consumer, and ultimately that is where your buyers ( supermarkets etc ) play their part by stipulating what they will pay. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by Scully

[Dave-G]

On 22/12/2022 at 15:22, Rewulf said:

Regarding GDP, heres an interesting little video.
Among other things , it shows how badly we suffered in the 2008/9 recession , and also how strong and resilient we are for a nation of our size.
Just pause it if its going too fast for you.

 

Good find - really shows how Nazi Germany prospered by reneging on WW1 war reparations to prepare for WW2, and I'm not sure if they did the same for that too.

[discobob]

On 23/12/2022 at 17:07, owain said:

Just been to drop some biscuits and a leg of boar off with one of my local farmers. Generally having a crack about the price of food and stuff, they’ve now lost their single farm payment or something? So he was saying food is about to get a whole lot more expensive.

This was in the interview wit Jeremy Clarkson that was up on this thread last week or so - loosing 20% a year over 5 years

it is telling that Government is cutting this but still wanting more off the electorate in taxes

[armsid]

I often wonder how we lived before the Common Market came into force was the cost of living food essentials taxation etc. lower or higher as i can remember goods going out of Coventry factories and jobs aplenty until the vote and the decline started. We paid into Europe and farmers were paid to overproduce or leave land fallow to keep prices stable across the board due to innefficient farmers in the Market. We can now grow what we need (if there is any farms land that has not been built on) interesting times ahead

[Rewulf]

A well lubricated Steve Bray, slurs his way into a confrontation that Lee Anderson thrives on.

 

[johnphilip]

3 hours ago, Rewulf said:

A well lubricated Steve Bray, slurs his way into a confrontation that Lee Anderson thrives on.

 

Watched it last night  , Lee Is some guy , Need more like him . 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Watched it last night  , Lee Is some guy , Need more like him . 

👍

[Rewulf]

Another example of the EUs inability to understand national sovereignty. 

EU  law apparently takes primacy over a nations Constitution, hopefully Poland stands strong on this, and if necessary, leaves. 

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/02/15/brussels-launches-legal-action-against-poland-for-challenging-primacy-of-eu-law/

[udderlyoffroad]

Thing is, these cases will get more and more common as the people in EU member states realise what their politicians have signed them up to as part of the Lisbon treaty (and to a lesser extent, Maastricht).  There is no stopping ‘ever closer Europe’, they’ve made that quite clear.  It is not a trading bloc and hasn’t been for some time.

None of this will change the minds of the people running the country in London, Edinburgh and Cardiff, we are heading back in, one way or another.  And on incredibly poor terms (punishment membership).  Fun times.
 

[old man]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Another example of the EUs inability to understand national sovereignty. 

EU  law apparently takes primacy over a nations Constitution, hopefully Poland stands strong on this, and if necessary, leaves. 

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/02/15/brussels-launches-legal-action-against-poland-for-challenging-primacy-of-eu-law/

On the contrary, they understand the concept very well which is why they use every challenge in the book to achieve their aim of total dominance?

 

[Rewulf]

40 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

None of this will change the minds of the people running the country in London, Edinburgh and Cardiff, we are heading back in, one way or another.  And on incredibly poor terms (punishment membership).  Fun times.

I cant quite visualise it at the moment , but if we do , complete with Euro ect, I can see a lot more dinghies in the Channel, except theyll be going in the opposite direction.

[Penelope]

31 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I cant quite visualise it at the moment , but if we do , complete with Euro ect, I can see a lot more dinghies in the Channel, except theyll be going in the opposite direction.

No, same direction, only 4,000 or miles eastwards. Doors are wide open there.

[Cosmicblue]

Despite the provocative headline, Michael Heseltine makes a very valid point (worth 7 minutes of your time to listen to)  in that Boris and Rees-Mogg did a terrible job of negotiating us out of the EU leaving a dreadful mess that is effecting all of us now.   

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes that may well be the case but Hesseltine the dinosaur would have had us stay in and do what the EU told us to.

[Rewulf]

Malta coming in for some EU  love. 

https://theshiftnews.com/2023/02/16/european-commissions-slaps-malta-with-five-infringement-proceedings/

[oowee]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

 

None of this will change the minds of the people running the country in London, Edinburgh and Cardiff, we are heading back in, one way or another.  And on incredibly poor terms (punishment membership).  Fun times.
 

Interesting cross party summit last week starting to look at how to address the crippling economics and how to make Brexit work better with Europe. 

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Malta coming in for some EU  love. 

https://theshiftnews.com/2023/02/16/european-commissions-slaps-malta-with-five-infringement-proceedings/

Looks like they deserved it. What a pity we don't have that overview to bring our Govt to heal. 

[Rewulf]

41 minutes ago, oowee said:

Looks like they deserved it. What a pity we don't have that overview to bring our Govt to heal. 

I think you miss the point, which is sovereignty , they are nibbling away at a countries right to run itself.
Read the report again , and see if they 'deserved it'

How does the EU have a right to tell a country how to combat child abuse ?
Does the EU have a right to tell a country its not allowed to hunt an animal it has hunted for centuries , and isnt endangered ?
It doesnt 'like' Maltas rules on legal service advertising?
Its marine ecology reports are late ?

This micro management aspect of the EU is intrusive, and is a forerunner of the totalitarianism to come.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

I think you miss the point, which is sovereignty , they are nibbling away at a countries right to run itself.
Read the report again , and see if they 'deserved it'

How does the EU have a right to tell a country how to combat child abuse ?
Does the EU have a right to tell a country its not allowed to hunt an animal it has hunted for centuries , and isnt endangered ?
It doesnt 'like' Maltas rules on legal service advertising?
Its marine ecology reports are late ?

This micro management aspect of the EU is intrusive, and is a forerunner of the totalitarianism to come.

Exactly this. It’s weird that our very close ancestors fought against this sort of totalitarianism regime not too long ago, and yet here we are all happy clappy, sleepwalking into an ever increasing encroachment of sovereignty. 
I hope Malta and Poland tell the EU to do one. 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Scully

[Rewulf]

14 minutes ago, Scully said:

Exactly this. It’s weird that our very close ancestors fought against this sort of totalitarianism regime not too long ago, and yet here we are all happy clappy, sleepwalking into an ever encroaching freedom of sovereignty. 
I hope Malta and Poland tell the EU to do one. 

The hilarious thing is , its exactly the same country driving it, look at their behaviour when we pulled out, theyve tried all kinds of tricks , short of blockading out ports to cause as much economic woe as possible.
Yet you get some on here sagely blaming the process of (pseudo) Brexit , rather than the EU causing the problems out of spite , hurting their own as well as ours.
Im not saying this ends in war (though nothing can be ruled  out) but we appear to be in an economic conflict , with a bunch of unelected fascists..again .

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

I think you miss the point, which is sovereignty , they are nibbling away at a countries right to run itself.
Read the report again , and see if they 'deserved it'

How does the EU have a right to tell a country how to combat child abuse ?
Does the EU have a right to tell a country its not allowed to hunt an animal it has hunted for centuries , and isnt endangered ?
It doesnt 'like' Maltas rules on legal service advertising?
Its marine ecology reports are late ?

This micro management aspect of the EU is intrusive, and is a forerunner of the totalitarianism to come.

Shooting vulnerable turtle doves? 

Exploitation of children for pornography? 

The beauty of the EU is the common standard. No point protecting birds in one part of they are wiped out elsewhere, same for fish. Makes sense to me part of the package of modernisation. 

 

[Rewulf]

29 minutes ago, oowee said:

Shooting vulnerable turtle doves? 

Exploitation of children for pornography? 

The beauty of the EU is the common standard. No point protecting birds in one part of they are wiped out elsewhere, same for fish. Makes sense to me part of the package of modernisation. 

 

Youre obviously reading something different to what Im reading .
You make it sound like the EU is the only thing stopping nonces doing as they will in Malta, and since when were turtle doves vulnerable ?

Whats that thing they do in France with nets , are they going to stop them from doing that, or stop boar shooting, or grouse ?

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Youre obviously reading something different to what Im reading .
You make it sound like the EU is the only thing stopping nonces doing as they will in Malta, and since when were turtle doves vulnerable ?

Whats that thing they do in France with nets , are they going to stop them from doing that, or stop boar shooting, or grouse ?

Its about introducing the child protection measures that they had agreed. 

Turtle doves no idea about their vulnerability but some scientific group somewhere thinks they are endangered. 

No idea what they do with nets in France other than catch fish 😁

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Turtle doves no idea about their vulnerability but some scientific group somewhere thinks they are endangered.

Someone somewhere will think everything is endangered to some extent 😂

1 hour ago, oowee said:

No idea what they do with nets in France other than catch fish

Oh come on, a man of the world like yourself must have heard of this. 

https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Ban-on-traditional-bird-hunts-with-nets-and-cages-overturned-in-France

Or the  'traditional' method of throwing knives at sparrows in the languedoc? 

The EU doesn't seem to have issue with this. 

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Someone somewhere will think everything is endangered to some extent 😂

Oh come on, a man of the world like yourself must have heard of this. 

https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Ban-on-traditional-bird-hunts-with-nets-and-cages-overturned-in-France

Or the  'traditional' method of throwing knives at sparrows in the languedoc? 

The EU doesn't seem to have issue with this. 

🙂 Some quite scarce birds included in that list! 

[old man]

Forgetting the other stuff, surely any more Turtle Doves hunted over the channel will result in more scarcity to the very few that get here?