Televised Fox Hunting On The Evening News

[old'un]

6 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

i haven't seen the video so i cant comment but is it of late or before the ban what used to happen they would run the fox to ground terrier man dig down shoot the fox in the hole  then throw to the hounds as i said i haven't seen this video 

there you go....https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-08/sickening-video-obtained-by-itv-news-shows-illegal-fox-hunt-in-progress

[12gauge82]

52 minutes ago, Mice! said:

 

Make your mind up? The hounds will have put the fox to ground, the terrier might have killed the fox, so it gets pulled out. They'll have dug it out if the land owner wants it sorted because of say lambs being taken I think. Then the second one bolts, not a lot can be done about that.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, shooters are far from faultless,  look how often BOP  getting shot is brought up

I think you've possibly missed my point.

I really don't think shooters live in glass house.

Generally speaking (of course there will always be exceptions either way), shooters are amongst some of the most law abiding people in the county.

I do not believe the hunts can claim the same. 

[Rim Fire]

14 minutes ago, old'un said:

there you go....https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-08/sickening-video-obtained-by-itv-news-shows-illegal-fox-hunt-in-progress

Thanks for that i didn't hear a shot just after the terrier was pulled so unless the terrier killed it underground it was alive 

which beggars believe why they did it  

[archi]

3 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

Thanks for that i didn't hear a shot just after the terrier was pulled so unless the terrier killed it underground it was alive 

which beggars believe why they did it  

To be honest if shot with a humane killer you wouldn’t normally hear the shot as they don’t give the crack like a rifle, in the past I have done exactly the same and nobody close by was aware the pistol had been used. Hounds then had the dead fox to break up as a reward for their hunting and to keep them keen.

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[clangerman]

just on local news police have issued photos of those involved asking for their details let’s see how fast they step forward to clear their names 

[Dougy]

They all know the attention they are getting but still fail to attempt any sign of discretion because basically they dont give a dam, as usual they are their own, and, becoming our worst enemy. 

The more i see of these story's the more i understand why the anti's despise us so much.  

[12gauge82]

Clangerman and Dougy, absolutely spot on. 

[marsh man]

1 hour ago, archi said:

To be honest if shot with a humane killer you wouldn’t normally hear the shot as they don’t give the crack like a rifle, in the past I have done exactly the same and nobody close by was aware the pistol had been used. Hounds then had the dead fox to break up as a reward for their hunting and to keep them keen.

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Not sure the general public would look at it in the same light as the hunting fraternity , giving the hounds a dead Fox to break up as a reward for their hunting and to keep them keen  

[Dave-G]

What I saw on ITV news at 10 this evening - men and holes - fox dug out and the clip ends just before its given to the dogs.

That sight was barbaric and shameful stain that cannot be unseen. Apparently that hunt is finished.

GOOD and richly deserved!

[Rim Fire]

11 hours ago, marsh man said:

 

 

9 hours ago, Dave-G said:

What I saw on ITV news at 10 this evening - men and holes - fox dug out and the clip ends just before its given to the dogs.

That sight was barbaric and shameful stain that cannot be unseen. Apparently that hunt is finished.

GOOD and richly deserved!

That's how its always been done that used to be my weekend fun dig a big hole with terriers bolt Fox and go the next one 

[marsh man]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

 

That's how its always been done that used to be my weekend fun dig a big hole with terriers bolt Fox and go the next one 

Everyone to there own I suppose , but it certainly won't appeal to me and no doubt many others, now that hunt is all but done for it should make other hunts sit up and take note , will they ? , I very much doubt it . 

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

 

That's how its always been done that used to be my weekend fun dig a big hole with terriers bolt Fox and go the next one 

Thats what the hunts can't seem to except, that's the past and it's no longer tolerated by the vast majority of society, so much so, it has been made illegal and will never in our life time become acceptable again.

Many of the Hunts are now criminals. There's no way I would ever choose to associate shooting with such a toxic issue. 

[SuperGoose75]

There is something very sadistic about that video clip IMHO 

I think the sight and sound of a hunt, in the countryside is a grand spectacle. 

However for me if it is to be condsidered  a ''sport'' then there should be some kind of morals or ethics attached to it!

If the fox has to be dug out '' I'd say the exhausted creature is abolutely terrified''  then at least shoot the bloody thing. The manner in the way that member of hunt lifted the fox out of the hole and held it by both hands, suggested to me that the fox was very much alive and if so then as said it is a barbaric practice.

Maybe I am being hypocritical in my view, but even the late eccentric Brian Plummer was admittedly honest in the opinion of some of the practises he was in involved in with dogs was cruel and barbaric.

The enjoyment of the hunt is one thing, but taking pleasure in dogs ripping a live animal apart is another thing entirely

Then if it was two terriers ripping a living rat apart, I dont think I would have as much empathy for the rat. Some maybe I am being hypocrital ?

Edited February 10, 2023 by SuperGoose75

[Penelope]

16 minutes ago, SuperGoose75 said:

There is something very sadistic about that video clip IMHO 

I think the sight and sound of a hunt, in the countryside is a grand spectacle. 

However for me if it is to be condsidered  a ''sport'' then there should be some kind of morals or ethics attached to it!

If the fox has to be dug out '' I'd say the exhausted creature is abolutely terrified''  then at least shoot the bloody thing. The manner in the way that member of hunt lifted the fox out of the hole and held it by both hands, suggested to me that the fox was very much alive and if so then as said it is a barbaric practice.

Maybe I am being hypocritical in my view, but even the late eccentric Brian Plummer was admittedly honest in the opinion of some of the practises he was in involved in with dogs was cruel and barbaric.

The enjoyment of the hunt is one thing, but taking pleasure in dogs ripping a live animal apart is another thing entirely

Then if it was two terriers ripping a living rat apart, I dont think I would have as much empathy for the rat. Some maybe I am being hypocrital ?

Hunting was always a combination of sport and pest control.

 

I doubt anyone took/takes please from a fox being torn up.

I see a lot of the anti's language being used in the this thread, which I find very sad and shows that the divide and conquer appears to be working.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Penelope

[Dougy]

9 hours ago, Penelope said:

 

I see a lot of the anti's language beng used in the this thread, which I find very sad and shows that the divide and conquer appears to be working.

There has always been a divide within shooting and all field sports. But what doesn't help the cause is the arrogance from those hunt supporters who have always thought they are above many of us. 

[Scully]

I’ve always maintained that a lot of ‘the hunts’ problems was the fact they couldn’t decide that what they were doing was ‘sport’ or pest control. 
If it was sport then there was obviously a reluctance to admit it; if it was pest control then why introduce and release foxes to areas where there previously were none? 

[ShootingEgg]

10 hours ago, Penelope said:

I see a lot of the anti's language being used in the this thread, which I find very sad and shows that the divide and conquer appears to be working.

They deliberately dug up foxes and let the hounds run, complete disregard to the law, then they were stupid enough to film it. Hunting with hounds is illegal, no loop hole that I know of allows you to dig a fox out the ground then let the hounds on it

Pro or anti has nothing to do with the idiots who did this. They deserve all they get.

We as fieldsports enthusiasts get enough bad press when it may only be a minority, but nothing good will ever come from this kind of behaviour.

[GHE]

14 hours ago, Scully said:

I’ve always maintained that a lot of ‘the hunts’ problems was the fact they couldn’t decide that what they were doing was ‘sport’ or pest control. 
If it was sport then there was obviously a reluctance to admit it; if it was pest control then why introduce and release foxes to areas where there previously were none? 

They can call it whatever they like, but country people tend to know the truth . . .

But it's generally better to say nothing, because hunting is an expensive pastime and the active members tend to be local landowners, politicians, council officers and others who control the local economy, so very few rural people can afford to stick their heads above the parapet and comment on what they actually do.

[clangerman]

looks like three of them have  now been charged only one side shooting needs to be seen on here and it’s not these morons 

[CharlieT]

15 hours ago, Scully said:

I’ve always maintained that a lot of ‘the hunts’ problems was the fact they couldn’t decide that what they were doing was ‘sport’ or pest control. 
If it was sport then there was obviously a reluctance to admit it; if it was pest control then why introduce and release foxes to areas where there previously were none? 

Fox hunting has always been both, sport and pest control. Primarily sport with the added bonus of pest control. As you say, with a shift in public opinion and a perceived need to defend our sport, there became a reluctance to admit it and the narrative changed to pest control. As livestock farmers, we always insisted that any fox that went to ground was dug out and killed. 

It's the same argument many fox shooters on here use when that say they don't shoot foxes for enjoyment, but purely for altruistic reasons in doing their landowner a favor.

In today's climate it is becoming increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to justify any sport in which any animal or bird is killed for sport be that fox, pheasant or pigeon. In the cold light of day I don't see how pheasant shooting can ever truly justify its continuance when the spotlight falls that way. 

It always amazes me that people will accept a couple of terriers killing a rat, but be absolutely be appalled by a couple of large foxhounds killing a fox. Both capable of killing their prey as fast as a bullet will.

[Dave-G]

39 minutes ago, CharlieT said:

Both capable of killing their prey as fast as a bullet will.

Except a bullet is usually humane because the quarry didn't see the kill coming and shock would likely cause it not to feel the pain.

Imagine if we had to see and feel ourselves being shredded to death - or die from a bullet we didn't know was coming.

[CharlieT]

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Except a bullet is usually humane because the quarry didn't see the kill coming and shock would likely cause it not to feel the pain.

Imagine if we had to see and feel ourselves being shredded to death - or die from a bullet we didn't know was coming.

Another anthropomorphic view of the fox.

[Dave-G]

5 minutes ago, CharlieT said:

Another anthropomorphic view of the fox.

I can agree to disagree about that.

[wymberley]

1 hour ago, CharlieT said:

Fox hunting has always been both, sport and pest control. Primarily sport with the added bonus of pest control. As you say, with a shift in public opinion and a perceived need to defend our sport, there became a reluctance to admit it and the narrative changed to pest control. As livestock farmers, we always insisted that any fox that went to ground was dug out and killed. 

It's the same argument many fox shooters on here use when that say they don't shoot foxes for enjoyment, but purely for altruistic reasons in doing their landowner a favor.

In today's climate it is becoming increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to justify any sport in which any animal or bird is killed for sport be that fox, pheasant or pigeon. In the cold light of day I don't see how pheasant shooting can ever truly justify its continuance when the spotlight falls that way. 

It always amazes me that people will accept a couple of terriers killing a rat, but be absolutely be appalled by a couple of large foxhounds killing a fox. Both capable of killing their prey as fast as a bullet will.

As ever, proper job.

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I can agree to disagree about that.

Are you perhaps confusing the 'anthro' word with sentinent?

[Dave-G]

7 minutes ago, wymberley said:

As ever, proper job.

Are you perhaps confusing the 'anthro' word with sentinent?

Use whatever words you want: we'll still see it through different eyes and beliefs.