Something to chew on over the weekend.

[Penelope]

 

[billytheghillie]

Wont bother me, never been in the ****hole, and have no intention to either.

[Newbie to this]

9 hours ago, billytheghillie said:

Wont bother me, never been in the ****hole, and have no intention to either.

Coming to a town near you

[yates]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

Coming to a town near you

I don't like London either but you are right,  it is coming to coming to all our town's. Starting in Sheffield next month 

[dead eye alan]

Funny I don't remember voting for this!

[Bigbob]

been once and will never need to go back 

[Vince Green]

When you drive down any motorway in the country you will often see purple cable trunking laid along the side.

This is to take the cabling for the road charging cameras that are going to come in to replace the petrol tax they are going to lose with all the electric cars

Very soon all the motorways will be toll roads

 

 

[manthing]

32 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

When you drive down any motorway in the country you will often see purple cable trunking laid along the side.

This is to take the cabling for the road charging cameras that are going to come in to replace the petrol tax they are going to lose with all the electric cars

Very soon all the motorways will be toll roads

 

 

They use that to carry all the roadside services. Been fitting it for years.

[billytheghillie]

8 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Coming to a town near you

That will be hard, as im out in the sticks, and nearest town miles away.

[discobob]

On 24/02/2023 at 20:13, Penelope said:

 

Geoff is a good bloke - follow his instructions for filling in the consultations on Digital ID, CBDC and also per mile charging - as @Newbie to this said, if it goes ahead it will be coming to everywhere....

On 25/02/2023 at 15:37, billytheghillie said:

That will be hard, as im out in the sticks, and nearest town miles away.

That will be all the more you will be paying to get to the town to do your shopping etc.... They won't need cameras everywhere - you will have to have a gps device fitted.... Or it may be on your MOT - You done 10k miles last year - here is your bill for £5000 pounds payable in 14 days

[billytheghillie]

1 hour ago, discobob said:

Geoff is a good bloke - follow his instructions for filling in the consultations on Digital ID, CBDC and also per mile charging - as @Newbie to this said, if it goes ahead it will be coming to everywhere....

That will be all the more you will be paying to get to the town to do your shopping etc.... They won't need cameras everywhere - you will have to have a gps device fitted.... Or it may be on your MOT - You done 10k miles last year - here is your bill for £5000 pounds payable in 14 days

Asda home delivery 👍

[discobob]

16 minutes ago, billytheghillie said:

Asda home delivery 👍

😆

and billytheghillie was never seen again 🤣

[henry d]

On 26/02/2023 at 18:31, discobob said:

...you will have to have... Or it may be...

Conjecture!

[Mungler]

Back in the old days everyone was weary of big government - maybe that was a post war sentiment but I think it was Ronald Regan who said that the 9 words everyone feared the most were ‘I’m here from the government and I’m here to help’.

Nowadays we can’t get enough of government, having our thinking done for us as too our bottoms wiped for us; and big government means big tax because it all has to be paid for.

As Vince says, if we all bought electric cars tomorrow and charged them up with free solar off our roofs then who / what is filling that tax black hole with all that fuel duty lost.

We are heading towards per mile road tax charging (all new cars have mandatory GPS now) and that also ties in with 15 minute cities and our being cajoled to cycle everywhere. They’ll tell us it’s for clean air, road safety, traffic calming, noise abatement (etc) but all the while we subtlety but surely ‘lose’ another right, even if that is to drive down your own road when you want and at 30 mph.

Ah, when I was a lad we used to just get in our cars and go for a drive and to anywhere we liked and when we liked because we could.

[old man]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

Back in the old days everyone was weary of big government - maybe that was a post war sentiment but I think it was Ronald Regan who said that the 9 words everyone feared the most were ‘I’m here from the government and I’m here to help’.

Nowadays we can’t get enough of government, having our thinking done for us as too our bottoms wiped for us; and big government means big tax because it all has to be paid for.

As Vince says, if we all bought electric cars tomorrow and charged them up with free solar off our roofs then who / what is filling that tax black hole with all that fuel duty lost.

We are heading towards per mile road tax charging (all new cars have mandatory GPS now) and that also ties in with 15 minute cities and our being cajoled to cycle everywhere. They’ll tell us it’s for clean air, road safety, traffic calming, noise abatement (etc) but all the while we subtlety but surely ‘lose’ another right, even if that is to drive down your own road when you want and at 30 mph.

Ah, when I was a lad we used to just get in our cars and go for a drive and to anywhere we liked and when we liked because we could.

Always was and always will be controlling the sheeple at maximum cost to them? Herding for the benefit of the few?

[discobob]

14 hours ago, henry d said:

Conjecture!

possibilities - not conjecture - things are coming thick and fast and there are numerous options to how these things will be operated.

[discobob]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

Ah, when I was a lad we used to just get in our cars and go for a drive and to anywhere we liked and when we liked because we could.

TBH the automobile was possibly the biggest enabler for people to actually improve their lot in life. Not tied to a bus route or a trainline... Ultimate flexibility. Indeed, governments have previously enabled people to go out and better themselves. Now they want to remove that. Even the boss of Ford has turned round and said the problem with electric cars is that even a lot of the middle class can't afford them.

Why are the vast majority of electric cars north of £70k and weigh upto 3 tonnes - because they are aimed at the "elites". There are a lot of [electric] cars that are not available here in the UK/Europe/USA that are available in China that cost less than what we pay for a ICE Yaris. One was the Ora Cat, when I first saw this it was pipped to be at around the £20k price (£14k in China), it is actually retailing at £32K - we are purposefully being priced out of the market.

1 hour ago, old man said:

Always was and always will be controlling the sheeple at maximum cost to them? Herding for the benefit of the few?

We, the people, are the new cattle 

[Bigbob]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

Back in the old days everyone was weary of big government - maybe that was a post war sentiment but I think it was Ronald Regan who said that the 9 words everyone feared the most were ‘I’m here from the government and I’m here to help’.

Nowadays we can’t get enough of government, having our thinking done for us as too our bottoms wiped for us; and big government means big tax because it all has to be paid for.

As Vince says, if we all bought electric cars tomorrow and charged them up with free solar off our roofs then who / what is filling that tax black hole with all that fuel duty lost.

We are heading towards per mile road tax charging (all new cars have mandatory GPS now) and that also ties in with 15 minute cities and our being cajoled to cycle everywhere. They’ll tell us it’s for clean air, road safety, traffic calming, noise abatement (etc) but all the while we subtlety but surely ‘lose’ another right, even if that is to drive down your own road when you want and at 30 mph.

Ah, when I was a lad we used to just get in our cars and go for a drive and to anywhere we liked and when we liked because we could.

Its getting that bad here i am surprised we are not like the french and sharpening the guillotine  up . It started with the local council having a little power to governmentisions having total power making our decision's and i wouldnt let half of them walk my dog  

[udderlyoffroad]

On 26/02/2023 at 19:55, billytheghillie said:

Asda home delivery 👍

Talk about "I'm alright Jack!"  You might think you will be unaffected by this.  You are wrong.

Apart from anything else, anything delivered via truck - in other words, absolutely everything - will become more expensive.

Before someone pipes up with "Good, polluter pays" - why must everything in this country be done with the stick, and no carrot?  Whether or not you believe in anthropogenic climate change, at least other countries signed up to net zero are not relentlessly financially punishing people for wanting to have a decent standard of living.

[discobob]

21 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

at least other countries signed up to net zero are not relentlessly financially punishing people for wanting to have a decent standard of living.

It is always the way in the UK for the past X number of years - Elsewhere I put up about smoking - this country it was an outright ban whereas in other EU countries they were more pragmatic about implementing it and even to this day there are bars in Germany you can smoke in....

[billytheghillie]

28 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Talk about "I'm alright Jack!"  You might think you will be unaffected by this.  You are wrong.

Apart from anything else, anything delivered via truck - in other words, absolutely everything - will become more expensive.

Before someone pipes up with "Good, polluter pays" - why must everything in this country be done with the stick, and no carrot?  Whether or not you believe in anthropogenic climate change, at least other countries signed up to net zero are not relentlessly financially punishing people for wanting to have a decent standard of living.

My names Billy, not Jack, and i couldnt give a toss about all this bull manure.

[udderlyoffroad]

28 minutes ago, billytheghillie said:

and i couldnt give a toss about all this bull manure.

Even when it hits you square in the wallet?

Or even...when your children /grandchildren can't enjoy the freedoms you took for granted.  Will you care then?

Edited February 28, 2023 by udderlyoffroad

[Scully]

Read a bit of graffiti somewhere the other day which said…’Humans are the only species which pay to live on this planet’. 
It’s true, but I hadn’t looked at it like that before. 
Why can’t there just be mass non-compliance regarding legislation we don’t like? Why do we always just grumble and accept whatever’s thrown at us by petty bureaucrats etc?
It’s like they’re all farmers now and we are just herded from one piece of legislation to another, like sheep.
If we just accept things instead of telling them to do one, then we get what we deserve. 

It’s quite scary really, and makes me wonder what this place is going to be like by the time my kids are grandparents, if we just keep accepting all this ****. 

[Mungler]

4 minutes ago, Scully said:

Read a bit of graffiti somewhere the other day which said…’Humans are the only species which pay to live on this planet’. 
It’s true, but I hadn’t looked at it like that before. 
Why can’t there just be mass non-compliance regarding legislation we don’t like? Why do we always just grumble and accept whatever’s thrown at us by petty bureaucrats etc?
It’s like they’re all farmers now and we are just herded from one piece of legislation to another, like sheep.
If we just accept things instead of telling them to do one, then we get what we deserve. 

It’s quite scary really, and makes me wonder what this place is going to be like by the time my kids are grandparents, if we just keep accepting all this ****. 

 

And that's part of the reason I am warming up to the French...

[billytheghillie]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Even when it hits you square in the wallet?

Or even...when your children /grandchildren can't enjoy the freedoms you took for granted.  Will you care then?

I used to live in a country called Great Britain, now it aint so Great, infact its spineless. If this happened elsewhere like France everybody would be out on strike, and the people would get what they want. That wont happen here as we have turned into a gutless nation of snowflakes. Totally agree with you Scully.