Boris on trial

[Penelope]

23 hours ago, tweedledee said:

They all are puppets...when was the last time we saw a politician who actually cares for the electorate ?? Instead they are self serving *****...all rats of the one litter as far as I'm concerned...parliament should be filled with normal people and swapped out every few weeks..probably do a better job

If they are self serving, etc, etc......, surely they would not be puppets? The word puppet implies that they are controlled by others for their bidding.

[Vince Green]

4 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

I agree. A ess aitch one tee of the first rank.

The best horse in the stable is also the one most likely to kick the door off its hinges.

You don't want a wuss

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Penelope said:

If they are self serving, etc, etc......, surely they would not be puppets? The word puppet implies that they are controlled by others for their bidding.

Puppets, I give you the labour party funded and controlled by the large unions.

[Penelope]

7 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Puppets, I give you the labour party funded and controlled by the large unions.

Agreed. And a lot more to boot, too.

A certain german chap is pleased his mob have penetrated many cabinets.

[janner]

1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said:

Puppets, I give you the labour party funded and controlled by the large unions.

Who are funded by their members ie, the hard working folk of this country as opposed to the corrupt and degraded tory 'get brexit done' party who accept funding from almost any unsavoury source that offers it, including right up to the present day  cronies of putin with connections to the kremlin and backers of the russian actions in Ukraine. 

We should do well to dwell on the fact that our present government and the short lived incompetent 'trussastrophy' have had no mandate from the electorate to govern and is fully aware that if they chose to go to the country with their new policies which have been in no manifesto offered to the electorate they would be kicked out of office,

[12gauge82]

The problem is, both partys policys are directly in conflict with most ordinary people's wishes and have been for very many years. This is in large part because all the main partys know that one of them will always get voted in. If we want change we need to show them we're not putting up with it anymore and give our vote to other partys. 

[tweedledee]

5 hours ago, Penelope said:

If they are self serving, etc, etc......, surely they would not be puppets? The word puppet implies that they are controlled by others for their bidding.

Filling their own pockets working for their globalist masters

[welsh1]

2 hours ago, janner said:

Who are funded by their members ie, the hard working folk of this country as opposed to the corrupt and degraded tory 'get brexit done' party who accept funding from almost any unsavoury source that offers it, including right up to the present day  cronies of putin with connections to the kremlin and backers of the russian actions in Ukraine. 

We should do well to dwell on the fact that our present government and the short lived incompetent 'trussastrophy' have had no mandate from the electorate to govern and is fully aware that if they chose to go to the country with their new policies which have been in no manifesto offered to the electorate they would be kicked out of office,

And there was me thinking they had been democratically elected at the last general election.

[janner]

40 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

And there was me thinking they had been democratically elected at the last general election.

Well you thought wrong,

The Sunack and truss governments were not put into power by the electorate, the country had no say whatsoever in wether they backed their policies or not, the polls show this to be overwhelmingly 'not' 

 johnson was our last prime minister to stand with a manifesto at a general election, however, due to his dishonesty he got kicked out by his party, he stayed in his position for a few months although mostly out of the country on 'holiday', 

 the tory membership then replaced him with truss after a poll of only party members and then tory mps, when this nomark incompetent had to resign due to crashing the economy sunak was then appointed to the position of prime minister with completely different policies to his two predecessors without having the balls to go to the country to get a democratic mandate for his 'tax the poor to pay for the rich' policies,

 This multi millionaire,the richest prime minister ever and documented u.k tax avoiding apology for a tory was appointed p.m  by a select group of tory grandees as no other  tory m.p had the backbone or belief in democracy to stand against him. 

Edited March 27, 2023 by janner

[welsh1]

10 minutes ago, janner said:

Well you thought wrong,

The Sunack and truss governments were not put into power by the electorate, the country had no say whatsoever in wether they backed their policies or not, the polls show this to be overwhelmingly 'not' 

 johnson was our last prime minister to stand with a manifesto at a general election, however, due to his dishonesty he got kicked out by his party, he stayed in his position for a few months although mostly out of the country on 'holiday', 

 the tory membership then replaced him with truss after a poll of only party members and then tory mps, when this nomark incompetent had to resign due to crashing the economy sunak was then appointed to the position of prime minister with completely different policies to his two predecessors without having the balls to go to the country to get a democratic mandate for his 'tax the poor to pay for the rich' policies,

 This u.k tax avoiding apology for a tory was appointed p.m  by a select group of tory grandees as no other  tory m.p had the backbone or belief in democracy to stand against him.

Sorry i seem to have missed on my ballot paper the box that said i was voting for boris johnson.

It appears that you want to talk about politics but have not grasped the very basics yet. No Prime Minister is ever elected by the public, they are chosen by the party , you vote for your chosen candidate who is standing in your constituancy, not the leader of a party.If a party wants to change leader they can, you probably remember labour doing it with gordon brown.
There will be an election at the proper time as set out in law.

[Vince Green]

29 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Sorry i seem to have missed on my ballot paper the box that said i was voting for boris johnson.

It appears that you want to talk about politics but have not grasped the very basics yet. No Prime Minister is ever elected by the public, they are chosen by the party , you vote for your chosen candidate who is standing in your constituancy, not the leader of a party.If a party wants to change leader they can, you probably remember labour doing it with gordon brown.
There will be an election at the proper time as set out in law.

This ^^^^

Also, how many Union Leaders or Labour MPs have you heard loudly condemning Russia for invading Ukraine? 

Just asking........

[JohnfromUK]

45 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

There will be an election at the proper time as set out in law.

/\ This.

There have been loads of changes of party leaders, often 'mid term'.  Blair to Brown, Wilson to Callaghan, Thatcher to Major, Eden to MacMillan, MacMillan to Home, Cameron to May, May to Johnson.  Some went on to win an election, some to lose an election.

You elect an MP.  The MPs are (almost all) in parties.  The parties elect/choose leaders.  The leader of the party who commands a majority is invited to be Prime Minister.

[oowee]

40 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

This ^^^^

Also, how many Union Leaders or Labour MPs have you heard loudly condemning Russia for invading Ukraine? 

Just asking........

Mp's of all parties lots. Union leaders, window cleaners, the woman in the chip shop? I have not asked any of them.

just saying......

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, janner said:

Well you thought wrong,

The Sunack and truss governments were not put into power by the electorate, the country had no say whatsoever in wether they backed their policies or not, the polls show this to be overwhelmingly 'not' 

 johnson was our last prime minister to stand with a manifesto at a general election, however, due to his dishonesty he got kicked out by his party, he stayed in his position for a few months although mostly out of the country on 'holiday', 

 the tory membership then replaced him with truss after a poll of only party members and then tory mps, when this nomark incompetent had to resign due to crashing the economy sunak was then appointed to the position of prime minister with completely different policies to his two predecessors without having the balls to go to the country to get a democratic mandate for his 'tax the poor to pay for the rich' policies,

 This multi millionaire,the richest prime minister ever and documented u.k tax avoiding apology for a tory was appointed p.m  by a select group of tory grandees as no other  tory m.p had the backbone or belief in democracy to stand against him. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you've not a clue have you!

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Sorry i seem to have missed on my ballot paper the box that said i was voting for boris johnson.

It appears that you want to talk about politics but have not grasped the very basics yet. No Prime Minister is ever elected by the public, they are chosen by the party , you vote for your chosen candidate who is standing in your constituancy, not the leader of a party.If a party wants to change leader they can, you probably remember labour doing it with gordon brown.
There will be an election at the proper time as set out in law.

Thanks Welsh1

If the opposition were up to anything then maybe they could hold the tories to account, problem is there hopeless. 

[janner]

Re gordon brown, its a bit different, 

Blair stood down after announcing the year peviously that he would, brown as dep prime minister took the reigns,

As the Bojo supporters/apologists seem to have developed collective amnesia may i remind them that he had to stand down  after being sacked by his own party,  50 members of his government openly stated that they had no confidence in him as a man or his policies, the trigger for this was his backing for a pal that had drunkenly sexually assulted two men, another pal had been found guilty of sexually assulting a vunerable teenage boy,

Another was openly watching pornography in a manner where it could be viewed by female collegues,

The drunken party held at no10 on  the eve of the duke of edinburghs funeral went some way to 40% of his collegues voting that they had had enough of his behaviour and had no confidence in him, the published pic of our dear late queen mourning in solitute whilst him and his croneys were drunkenly partying to the small hours just down the road is so telling,

Stepping aside after winning 3 general elections in a pre planned and democratic manner as opposed to being sacked by your own party after 3 years of one scandel after another is hardly the same.

Those that still back boris are examples of all that is wrong in Britain today, if our prime minister cannot lead by example and follow the law why should anybody else,

Those who excuse his lawbreaking and loose morals give the green light to all ne'er-do-wells to do as they please,

[welsh1]

15 minutes ago, janner said:

Re gordon brown, its a bit different, 

Blair stood down after announcing the year peviously that he would, brown as dep prime minister took the reigns,

As the Bojo supporters/apologists seem to have developed collective amnesia may i remind them that he had to stand down  after being sacked by his own party,  50 members of his government openly stated that they had no confidence in him as a man or his policies, the trigger for this was his backing for a pal that had drunkenly sexually assulted two men, another pal had been found guilty of sexually assulting a vunerable teenage boy,

Another was openly watching pornography in a manner where it could be viewed by female collegues,

The drunken party held at no10 on  the eve of the duke of edinburghs funeral went some way to 40% of his collegues voting that they had had enough of his behaviour and had no confidence in him, the published pic of our dear late queen mourning in solitute whilst him and his croneys were drunkenly partying to the small hours just down the road is so telling,

Stepping aside after winning 3 general elections in a pre planned and democratic manner as opposed to being sacked by your own party after 3 years of one scandel after another is hardly the same.

Those that still back boris are examples of all that is wrong in Britain today, if our prime minister cannot lead by example and follow the law why should anybody else,

Those who excuse his lawbreaking and loose morals give the green light to all ne'er-do-wells to do as they please,

Oh come on, please learn how politics work.

Blair resigned, the party has to chose a new leader, brown put his name forward, no one else did so he was voted as the new Labour leader, and as leader of the party in power became the prime minister after asking the Queen's permission.

He didn't get it because  he was deputy .

 

I have voted both labour and Tory in my life, and I have known who and what I have voted for and know how the political system works, and understand the process of voting in a new leader for most parties.

It appears that you don't have a clue.

 

[Cosmicblue]

I'm really hoping that the Chief Mouser @No. 10, Larry, will be standing for Election - I have faith in his ability to not tell any fibs and stick to the assigned job.

[udderlyoffroad]

12 hours ago, janner said:

Blair stood down after announcing the year peviously that he would, brown as dep prime minister took the reigns,

12 hours ago, welsh1 said:

He didn't get it because  he was deputy .

Prescott was Blair's deputy PM, not Brown, he was chancellor!

Maybe it's me, but I'm still struggling to comprehend one thing - maybe @janner or someone else can enlighten me:  Boris, along with every other world leader, was caught breaking his own rules.  Why are you not angry at him for imposing those ridiculous rules in the first place?

The 'do as I say, not as I do' trope is as old as politics itself, and if you've made it this far in life without realising politicians (and for that matter, senior public sector people) think the rules they so zeaslously enforce don't apply to them, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

[Dave-G]

Maybe its my partial autism that caused me to notice how often Brown had a habit of moving his tongue around his cheeks when he was being filmed while waffling. I'm sure I can't be the only person who saw this - which I concluded was clearly demonstrative of his wee taking 'tongue in cheek' attitude.

[janner]

Which quote would anybody think created the bigger national headlines,   Browns electioneering disaster "Just a sort of bigoted woman" verses johnsons banterish and lighthearted quotes such as "cheering crowds of flag waving piccaninnies", and "breaking out in water melon smiles to watch the big white chief touch down in his big white taxpayer funded bird",

My fave is when mandleson resigned,

 The nations one time favourite tussle haired nincompoop described this event as,

 "The tank topped bumboys will be crying into their beer"

That one still makes me laugh, 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by janner

[udderlyoffroad]

I see you’ve decided to ignore my question.

I can’t bothered to appear to defend Boris, but it seems your dislike of him has blinded you to the fact that both those quotes…were him making a point about the racist or colonialist attitudes of others.  How about you read the article he wrote in full, understand the context, then make your mind up?  Or is such nuance too much like effort?

As for the Brown parallel, I think you’re onto a real loser with that one; after all, when Brown finally did stand for election*, the electorate hand him his backside on a plate.

*Yes, I know we do not elect a PM in this country.

[Newbie to this]

20 hours ago, janner said:

Re gordon brown, its a bit different,