B725 Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Following on from the Elon Musk interview with the BBC reporter going on about hate speech on twitter, what or who actually decides what is hate speech. As far as I know it's not illegal to hate anyone but there's almost an obsession about hate speech, 5 or 6 police going in a pub because 1 person complaining about the gollywogs behind the bar, will Fairy liquid be next to go, it seems now you cannot say anything about owt without someone taking offence it really has become a sad and spiteful world we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Totally agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Personally, as a person with Jewish ancestry on one side of my family. I would rather people were allowed to say what they think and we get it all out in the open. Then we all know where we stand. Banning hate speech doesn't ban hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted April 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 It's the same thing with pro nouns with what people are now deciding what they should be addressed as, seeing as there are so many if you dont say which one first time they start bumping their gums. God only knows what the world will be like in another 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Personally, as a person with Jewish ancestry on one side of my family. I would rather people were allowed to say what they think and we get it all out in the open. Then we all know where we stand. Banning hate speech doesn't ban hate. I'm with you on this one. We should have freedom to express opinions openly, better for all even if you may find the subject upsetting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 It is another way to divide us. For me - they have the right to describe themselves however they want - But I have the right to choose how I describe them - as long as it is factually and biologically correct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Will hate speech by antis against the minority of country folk carrying out legal activities be treated with the same gravity by the police as a bunch of dolls on a windowsill? I think not as some hate speech is clearly more equal than other hate speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 As I said on the other thread (about the 'Golly' pub) - we have people going around on the lookout for where they can take offence. It is mainly to do with ethnicity, non conventional m/f gender and religion, and much less about 'plain m/f' gender, ageism, disability etc. I can't really understand why other than it has simply become 'fashionable' or 'trendy' - and I have no idea why that should be. Unfortunately 'officialdom' (police etc.), 'celebrities' (most of whom I have never heard of) and 'influencers' (don't even know what they are!) have embraced the fashion with such things as going down on one knee, wearing rainbow colours, sending offenders to the wrong single sex prisons, and other attention grabbing stunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Hate speech is speech which directly encourages violence. If I give a speech in public about how much I hate bald-headed people and how they need to go out and buy a wig then that is not hate speech. Conversely, if I give a speech in public where I’m encouraging the masses to physically assault bald-headed people then that is hate speech - I am inciting violence. The former example is me exercising my right to free speech. The latter example is me inciting violence and encouraging criminal activity, and therefore should be illegal. That is where we should draw the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, 243deer said: Will hate speech by antis against the minority of country folk carrying out legal activities be treated with the same gravity by the police as a bunch of dolls on a windowsill? I think not as some hate speech is clearly more equal than other hate speech. No, of course not, doesn't fit the lefts ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 The Left love free speech as long as it is what they want to hear!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 39 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: As I said on the other thread (about the 'Golly' pub) - we have people going around on the lookout for where they can take offence. It is mainly to do with ethnicity, non conventional m/f gender and religion, and much less about 'plain m/f' gender, ageism, disability etc. I can't really understand why other than it has simply become 'fashionable' or 'trendy' - and I have no idea why that should be. Unfortunately 'officialdom' (police etc.), 'celebrities' (most of whom I have never heard of) and 'influencers' (don't even know what they are!) have embraced the fashion with such things as going down on one knee, wearing rainbow colours, sending offenders to the wrong single sex prisons, and other attention grabbing stunts. Started years ago with the indoctrination in schools and Universities. If you thinks it's bad, just look at the States!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Quote It's the same thing with pro nouns with what people are now deciding what they should be addressed as, seeing as there are so many if you dont say which one first time they start bumping their gums. There was a video on Youtube where a man addressed the issue of pronouns. He said that he identified as "handsome and brilliant". He was quite happy to address those who wanted to be different with their chosen pronoun, provided that they addressed him as "handsome and brilliant". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, discobob said: The Left love free speech as long as it is what they want to hear!!! Would that be Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 You have the right to free speech as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it- Lyric written by Joe Strummer of the The Clash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, oowee said: Would that be Trump? Are you trying to say that Trump is a Lefty!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollygood Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Genghis said: Hate speech is speech which directly encourages violence. This is it. Shouldn't be an issue of contention that hate speech is bad, should it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, discobob said: Are you trying to say that Trump is a Lefty!!!! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Genghis said: Hate speech is speech which directly encourages violence. It should be but the woke agenda has well and truely moved those goalposts. Any form of criticism of one of their pet causes is branded hate speech by them And, if you are in many jobs in the public sector these days it could well be enough to lose you your job. Edited April 14, 2023 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Genghis said: Hate speech is speech which directly encourages violence. If I give a speech in public about how much I hate bald-headed people and how they need to go out and buy a wig then that is not hate speech. Conversely, if I give a speech in public where I’m encouraging the masses to physically assault bald-headed people then that is hate speech - I am inciting violence. The former example is me exercising my right to free speech. The latter example is me inciting violence and encouraging criminal activity, and therefore should be illegal. That is where we should draw the line. Well, it’s a theory anyway. But what you’ve written is neither what the law says or how it works in practice. 2 hours ago, Jollygood said: Shouldn't be an issue of contention that hate speech is bad, should it Shouldn’t attempting to outlaw emotions be an uncontentiously stupid idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Well, it’s a theory anyway. But what you’ve written is neither what the law says or how it works in practice. It’s the most logical answer. Other definitions have shades of grey, such as anti-white slurs not being counted as hate speech but anti-black slurs are. The current law is not a reliable benchmark for a definition of ‘hate speech’ as it’s being constantly modified. For the record, anti-white slurs don’t upset me. I don’t care if someone hates me based on the colour of my skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 Once again, everything you’ve written is completely irrelevant to the real world, or the UK at least, where people are being arrested & charged for hate crimes because they “caused someone anxiety on the internet “ Your fantasy-land definitions of what does & does not constitute hate speech is not going to make one iota of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Genghis said: Hate speech is speech which directly encourages violence. If I give a speech in public about how much I hate bald-headed people and how they need to go out and buy a wig then that is not hate s Hey just watch what your saying ! It's not our fault that we are frolicky challenged ! 6 hours ago, Genghis said: The former example is me exercising my right to free speech. The latter example is me inciting violence and encouraging criminal activity, and therefore should be illegal. That is where we should draw the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: Once again, everything you’ve written is completely irrelevant to the real world, or the UK at least, where people are being arrested & charged for hate crimes because they “caused someone anxiety on the internet “ Your fantasy-land definitions of what does & does not constitute hate speech is not going to make one iota of difference. Confused as to what exactly you’re arguing with me about tbh. Are you telling me that what I am posting is only my opinion? Of course it is. Who else’s opinion would it be? If you’re only interested in what the current legal definition of hate speech is then you can Google it and this thread would be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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