Vince Green Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: How many Doctors are working from home? Well mine for one. Every time I try to get an appointment all I get told is there are no appointments but a doctor will phone you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Lloyd90 - what is an accurate figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Lloyd90 - what is an accurate figure? Of what? Doctors working from home? Considering it’s a junior doctors strike, and GP’s aren’t junior doctors, then: 1. most likely none. 2. it’s not relevant anyways. I don’t know any doctors based on wards working from home at all. GP’s aren’t going on strike so why are they getting grief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: The same people who abuse the system and are down at the Hospital even when they don’t need to be are often (but not always) those same people who abuse lots of services, and aren’t in work, likely on benefits, and will say “I can’t pay I’m on benefits” and likely be given an exemption. They already pay no tax so don’t pay towards the system, so the tax paying working man and woman pays tax to find the system, then has to pay again to use it, whilst dossers continue to get it for free. Hardly a solution. Time to remove some of the red tape protecting the lay abouts, economic migrants and NHS tourism. First one to go should be human rights act, which needs replacing with something fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Time to remove some of the red tape protecting the lay abouts, economic migrants and NHS tourism. First one to go should be human rights act, which needs replacing with something fit for purpose. Not a flipping hope of that? No common sense for years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 How many European countries have a health system like theNHS? France works on part employer part insurance when working insurance when retired. You pay 23 Euros to see doctor EVERYONE including tourists which you claim back from insurance Pharmacists issueing prescriptions ( they have been for years) 10 euros for a prescription no exceptions stops people having free scipts for items that can be bought off the shelf without a script. for a few euros could this work here? i doubt it as we have a system where all are entitled to You cannot go there as a health tourist you pay but they do have a basic system very basic but it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, armsid said: How many European countries have a health system like theNHS? None, Holland has no state health care at all, it's all privately run but you have to belong to an insurance scheme by law. Ireland it's about 25 euros to see a GP and about 75 euros to attend A&E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Senior doctors on strike next. 86% in favour of strike action. 20th July strike day, following on from the junior doctors strike. All of this after ten years plus of Tory cuts. Paid for by the good will of public servants. You can't have quality public services on the cheap. Relying on charity and good nature as the basis for service delivery will not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Grant what is your solution ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 8 hours ago, armsid said: Grant what is your solution ? Increase pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, oowee said: Increase pay. From which magic money tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, amateur said: From which magic money tree? Us!!! Remember, Socialism works wonderful until the peoples money runs out..... Edited June 28, 2023 by discobob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Hello, did I read this right, striking for a pay rise when on over £100, 000 🤔 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did I read this right, striking for a pay rise when on over £100, 000 🤔 Hello, end of July I had a PSA test, hospital phone call on June 8th, sorry we have lost results, another PSA test 2 weeks ago and still waiting for results 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did I read this right, striking for a pay rise when on over £100, 000 It's really about politics, not pay. The Unions (and in that I include the BMA and medical 'membership groups' who are in effect unions) want to bring down the Government. Many (most?) consultants also do significant private work which brings in additional money. Not many employers would allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, JohnfromUK said: It's really about politics, not pay. The Unions (and in that I include the BMA and medical 'membership groups' who are in effect unions) want to bring down the Government. Many (most?) consultants also do significant private work which brings in additional money. Not many employers would allow that. Is the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Many (most?) consultants also do significant private work which brings in additional money. Not many employers would allow that. And so what? You want to ban private work? Private work is very lucrative. The less you pay doctors the more private work they will do. The less availability for the NHS. We have to prioritise what we want. If we can't afford to properly fund doctors then we need to change the service. Stop blaming the victims. There are plenty of ways to pay for this stuff it's all about priorities. If your wealthy with private health care and private education the last thing of concern is decent public services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, oowee said: Stop blaming the victims. Who is blaming the victims? I most certainly am not. The patients are the victims every time. 21 minutes ago, oowee said: You want to ban private work? Private work is very lucrative. Where did I suggest I wanted to stop it? I'm just saying they have very good terms from their employers - and an extremely good remuneration package if the private work is also considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, discobob said: Us!!! Remember, Socialism works wonderful until the peoples money runs out..... I know that, but does oowee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 What's the phrase, heart in the right place, head in the clouds and a hand in someone else's pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 3 hours ago, oowee said: Stop blaming the victims. Which ones, the patients/tax payer, or doctors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Hello, anyone see the BBC news when Charlie interviewed a NHS consultant ? Why do you deserve a pay rise 🤔 I can sit on a red sofa and get £250, 000 a year funded by every licence payer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 If we are not careful it will be insurance for paying for health care and £20.00 to see a doctor as is in Europe How did the system work before NHS was introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 11 hours ago, armsid said: If we are not careful it will be insurance for paying for health care and £20.00 to see a doctor as is in Europe How did the system work before NHS was introduced. Is that a problem? Seems to work well enough out there, with better services and outcomes. The NHS is not fit for purpose anymore and will only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Penelope said: Is that a problem? Seems to work well enough out there, with better services and outcomes. The NHS is not fit for purpose anymore and will only get worse. Not a problem so long as everyone is on the same, level, playing field. But would be a massive problem with varied levels of qualification, say, for instance, if the benefit scroungers were to receive special conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 There is a problem with people booking Dr's appointments and not turning up for them, apparently around 7%. A modest charge would perhaps help? There is also a problem with unnecessary A&E visits. This is apparently (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/03/third-gps-back-charges-aande-crisis) and comes at around 30-40% - which is a lot. Again, charging would greatly help reduce time wasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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