Wilts#Dave Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 23 hours ago, BrowningDJC said: RC2 competition would be my choice for a good value pigeon load if I still shot a 12 bore regularly, Italian 7.5 which as mentioned is a UK 7. I think 7 shot is overlooked for pigeons and game, I’ve found it does the job perfectly at normal ranges. Up until a year or so ago when a small local gunshop closed, they used to sell the RC2 competition line in 6 shot for just over £200/thousand (cheapest shells ever) but so damn effective on pigeons! Used tens of thousands of them over the years, down to my last few slabs now and it’s a shame I can’t seem to get any more. Moved back to Hull Superfast pigeon 29 now which are a good shell too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 29/10/2023 at 16:42, Wilts#Dave said: Up until a year or so ago when a small local gunshop closed, they used to sell the RC2 competition line in 6 shot for just over £200/thousand (cheapest shells ever) but so damn effective on pigeons! Used tens of thousands of them over the years, down to my last few slabs now and it’s a shame I can’t seem to get any more. Moved back to Hull Superfast pigeon 29 now which are a good shell too! Justcartridges sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fargo said: Justcartridges sell Just had a quick look and you’re right but they’re out of stock. Sadly they were also £100 cheaper from where I used to get them (what made them so attractive)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Wilts#Dave said: Just had a quick look and you’re right but they’re out of stock. Sadly they were also £100 cheaper from where I used to get them (what made them so attractive)! Ouch, lot of RC seems to be out of stock everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, Fargo said: Ouch, lot of RC seems to be out of stock everywhere I think it depends on where you are in the country. Currently at least 3 RFDs in Norfolk have lots of RC in stock but little else. Where as back home in Sheffield all I can get is Comp X. I prefer RC for live quarry but Lyalvale Express or Eley for clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Centrepin said: I think it depends on where you are in the country. Currently at least 3 RFDs in Norfolk have lots of RC in stock but little else. Where as back home in Sheffield all I can get is Comp X. I prefer RC for live quarry but Lyalvale Express or Eley for clays. We can’t get sipe or 20b loads down here and importer says supply issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) hello, those 20 bore cartridges must be gold plated bobba 🤔, i know you like your 20 but i would be looking for a lighter O/U 12 guage , multichoke if possible and buy the cheap 7.5s 28g clay cartridges, but use more choke, last i bought £280 per 1000, beats £400 for 20s , 🤔 Edited October 31, 2023 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, those 20 bore cartridges must be gold plated bobba 🤔, i know you like your 20 but i would be looking for a lighter O/U 12 guage , multichoke if possible and buy the cheap 7.5s 28g clay cartridges, but use more choke, last i bought £280 per 1000, beats £400 for 20s , 🤔 you could even go down to 24 g for better recoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 52 minutes ago, Fargo said: We can’t get sipe or 20b loads down here and importer says supply issues. The last time I was here, July, RC Sipe 32 x 5s (12 bore) cost £74.50 per slab although I understand the price has now risen somewhat. I don't have a 20 bore so no idea of what they're charging. Everywhere seems to have .410 supply problems. I've ordered 1000 Romagnola to pick up when I shoot later today, couldn't give me a price till I collect but told around £65/£67 per slab. Still cheaper than the £87 at my local ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, Centrepin said: The last time I was here, July, RC Sipe 32 x 5s (12 bore) cost £74.50 per slab although I understand the price has now risen somewhat. I don't have a 20 bore so no idea of what they're charging. Everywhere seems to have .410 supply problems. I've ordered 1000 Romagnola to pick up when I shoot later today, couldn't give me a price till I collect but told around £65/£67 per slab. Still cheaper than the £87 at my local ground. Sipe here £135 slab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Fargo said: Sipe here £135 slab £100+ in Sheffield. Which is why I stock up when I'm in Norfolk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 On 31/10/2023 at 09:36, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, those 20 bore cartridges must be gold plated bobba 🤔, i know you like your 20 but i would be looking for a lighter O/U 12 guage , multichoke if possible and buy the cheap 7.5s 28g clay cartridges, but use more choke, last i bought £280 per 1000, beats £400 for 20s , 🤔 Hello, Just resurrecting this thread as i have succumbed to buying a 20 bore , Its only for nostalgia oops occasional use so what are the cheapest cheapest cartridges, When i had a Winnie 101 20 g back in the day the carts were as cheap as chips 🤔😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 Carts aren't cheap these days, but then neither are chips to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 7 Author Report Share Posted September 7 12 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Just resurrecting this thread as i have succumbed to buying a 20 bore 🤔😄 😋👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 English no7.5 are good to 35yards, Euro no7.5 are good to 40yards. With pigeons and crows, pattern give kills and what patterns better than a high antimony clay cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 42 minutes ago, Stonepark said: English no7.5 are good to 35yards, Euro no7.5 are good to 40yards. With pigeons and crows, pattern give kills and what patterns better than a high antimony clay cartridge? Hello, I have posted before on 7.5s , I just up the choke size, ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 2 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I have posted before on 7.5s , I just up the choke size, ?? NO! Tighten the choke by a degree or two, DON'T open it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 18 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: NO! Tighten the choke by a degree or two, DON'T open it up. I think he meant up one size from 1/4 to half etc. Half choke is perfect for 7.5 steel or lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 On 30/07/2023 at 08:18, London Best said: A friend of mine, 20 bore man, full time shooting instructor, saw me shooting with a SxS and wanted to try one because he had never ever fired one. (Shooting instructor). So, next shoot I lent him my 20, having warned him that his usual cartridges were no good for it as it was a 2 1/2 inch chamber. He declined my offer of cartridges and said he would buy some 2 1/2 inch. Sure enough he turned up with a slab. After the first drive he didn’t want to use my (proper) gun any more because “ it recoils so badly it jumps off my shoulder and I can’t control it.” He had fired a dozen shots and not hit a partridge, and he can really shoot. Sure enough, when I checked he had bought 2 1/2 inch cartridges, but with a 28 gram load. I was surprised that such a 20 bore cartridge even existed. He didn’t realise that a traditional 20 bore load is much less. Shooting instructor? The blind leading the blind. What cartridge do you normally use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 7 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: What cartridge do you normally use? Express 25 gram 7’s or 6’s fibre wad. Gun is an old English Armstrong side lock non-ejector weighing (from memory) 5 3/4 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 For woodpigeon any cartridge which can be made to deliver on average 110ish pellets each having some 1ftlbs of energy in a 20" pattern centre will do the job. If 1 ftlb seems a tad higher than the norm it is simply because it is the bulk of the pattern which will do the business and as this will be a little behind the leading pellet which decides the advertised speed and therefore have a little less energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, wymberley said: For woodpigeon any cartridge which can be made to deliver on average 110ish pellets each having some 1ftlbs of energy in a 20" pattern centre will do the job. If 1 ftlb seems a tad higher than the norm it is simply because it is the bulk of the pattern which will do the business and as this will be a little behind the leading pellet which decides the advertised speed and therefore have a little less energy. And, in the head, 1ftlb will kill any bird that flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 16 minutes ago, London Best said: And, in the head, 1ftlb will kill any bird that flies. Possibly, yes. But if you've rigged to cater for that objective then you're going to need an average of 390 pellets as above to be reasonably certain of pulling it off. Far better to rely on the traditional shotgun performance based on several centuries of use and simply treat the head shot as a fluke/luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: NO! Tighten the choke by a degree or two, DON'T open it up. Hello, That is what i meant, I posted on PW before going from say I/C 1/4 choke to 1/2 3/4 maybe full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 A couple of weeks ago I was using a 20 bore for pigeoning. My cartridges were 21 gram UK 7 1/2. Hull ‘pro twenty’ to be precise, fibre of course. Anything within about 35 yards was folding nicely (when I did my bit). As the birds were decoying well, I didn’t find this range limiting at all. Not sure I’d use them for flight line shooting at the rangier stuff, or for larger quarry, but great for pigeon decoying. I’m uncertain re the velocity of these cart’s, but they seemed quick and I’m sure that helped. Also pleasant to shoot - virtually zilch recoil. P.S The chokes were cylinder and a quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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