Wymondley Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 17 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: A Labour Government is coming … not because the electorate think Labour are brilliant … but because the Tories have been such an absolute shambles they truly believe anyone could do a better job. The problem being, many of those voting Labour will never have worked/lived under a Labour gov't. It's going to be out of the frying pan into the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Wymondley said: The problem being, many of those voting Labour will never have worked/lived under a Labour gov't. It's going to be out of the frying pan into the fire. Or out of the fire. I would be happy to give Sunak time but he is backed by dobbins. They cannot string together two people on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: Done an awful job but keep shouting “It would be worse under someone else” just doesn’t cut it! Doesn't make it any less true, you'll find out soon enough and maybe everyone's memory will be jogged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Doesn't make it any less true, you'll find out soon enough and maybe everyone's memory will be jogged. If I run you over with my car, it’s not a viable excuse to get out and tell you “it could be worse, someone else could have hit you with a lorry”. A section of the electorate will be no worse off under Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Better you pay it than the Tax payer. We are all paying it on every transaction. Of that charge was £70 admin which we are also paying on pretty much everything including food. Its a simply its a waste of everyones cash. What I would like to know is how much does it raise? If we raised say £100m allowing for 25% admin we could afford to give back £75m against, say essential food stuffs. I guess we are so near to being bust that it has to go into the central pot. Look on the bright side is a nice job creation scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If I run you over with my car, it’s not a viable excuse to get out and tell you “it could be worse, someone else could have hit you with a lorry”. Apples and pears But using your analogy, you run me over with your car and I then get run over by a lorry after you are move out the way. 30 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: A section of the electorate will be no worse off under Labour. That remains to be seen, but equally goes for any party in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Wymondley said: The problem being, many of those voting Labour will never have worked/lived under a Labour gov't. Very much this /\. People don't believe the Winter of Discontent where rubbish was piling up in the streets and the dead unburied ............ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent It was a shame as I believe Jim Callaghan was a genuine honest person, but the Unions twisted him around their little finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: A section of the electorate will be no worse off under Labour. Yes the public services and big unions - the rest of us, that make the money, will pay big time. I have experienced it twice, I don't want to see it again. Ahhh I have just remembered you are a pubic service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said: I have experienced it twice, I don't want to see it again. Unfortunately, people have short memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 Vote labour FIVE years of misery lot of jail sentences are shorter than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 All other political considerations aside, this is a shooting forum and NO shooting man should ever be considering voting Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 15 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: Yes the public services and big unions - the rest of us, that make the money, will pay big time. I have experienced it twice, I don't want to see it again. Ahhh I have just remembered you are a pubic service I think you mean public? 🤣 Who do you count as “the rest of us”? The state of the NHS, the state of public services, lack of social care, school systems crumbling, prison system / criminal justice system falling apart. Everyday working people seeing their utilities go through the roof, their mortgage interest rate more than triple, their everyday shop go through the roof. All whilst big utility companies and other corporations take record profits and pay their bosses millions in bonuses. We’ve got water companies pumping raw sewage into your rivers and seas that people swim in whilst paying out bonuses to their staff and share holders. You’re surely not suggesting all these things and many other have no impact on anyone who doesn’t work in the public sector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 /\ This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: You’re surely not suggesting all these things and many other have no impact on anyone who doesn’t work in the public sector? You are quite correct it does impact every body equally but the public sector is paid from tax and if tax rises to pay extra to public services those hit hardest are those that have to produce more to get a pay rise. The public sector is a monopoly and in my experience the least efficient body I have dealt with in my working life. They always do well under a Labour government getting more money for no increase in productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 5 hours ago, London Best said: All other political considerations aside, this is a shooting forum and NO shooting man should ever be considering voting Labour. This. It's the party of people like Luke Pollard. We're very lucky that the recent firearms consultation did not happen while Labour are in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scully Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Penelope said: Jesus h…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, Scully said: Jesus h…… Yep, the crazies in full techicolour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Penelope said: Yep, the crazies in full techicolour. ‘Trans women are women’! 😂 There really are some lunatics around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Scully said: ‘Trans women are women’! 😂 There really are some lunatics around! And that's what we are getting next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 4, 2023 Report Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 17:38, enfieldspares said: Erm? MARS rifles and the .50 calibre? Mandatory GP input? And lead shot replacement such as iron shot being unsuitable for some guns the cost of the alternatives such as bismuth will be gun control by price. We've left the EU yet why hasn't the Government unquivocally ditched REACH proposals on lead shot. But, yes, I do note that Labour aren't exactly gun friendly either. Just that my purpose is so that others don't see the Tories through rose tinted glasses on gun issues. And most recently the consultation on firearms licence fees that concluded in August this year? My best advice is hope that whoever gets in at least those of us that vote have made effort to discover which candidate in our consitituncies is the least gun unfriendly! Yes but taking your last sentence, being the consummate liars they are will negate that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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